AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[MiO]

or asking for buffs to 2H!

Good luck with that one xD

[Wildwalker]

Atrius: DW is still far too high above any 2H build on PTS. Please fix.

I agree. Please nerf DW to bring it back in line.

[Havors]

I have to say I disagree with a lot of your posts, mostly due to how the tone of your posts come across, but this is a good idea.

It would set a baseline to start at with no RNG trinkets affecting the overall outcome.

Ive been saying this for ages! we need a common baseline to perform accurate parses. Some have lots of PA some dont.. some use consumables, some dont... some have raid buffs, some dont... some use T2 gear some dont.....

Sort it out Trion! Do you want actual effective testing or just people playing on the PTS to see whats new?

that is all.

[Pajac1]

I see nothing wrong with parsing in whatever Live (no ID gear or t3 PA) gear/pa you have and just listing what you use. There are enough parses listed that disparities would be easy to understand. oh that guy has relic and he doesn't? that difference makes sense.

Most of this is being asked for people who don't have the time, or worse, the lazy people being spoon fed numbers they have to understand in 5 seconds of looking at or they won't like it. Anyone who takes the time to look over multiple parses or tests themselves knows how the state of the dps looks like. I'm sure Atrius and the other devs take everything into account, not just a 5 second glance at end result #s.

point is, parse in w/e live gear you got, just make important info known, easy enough.

[XxShunsuixX]

my numbers are perfectly accurate. They were done with the same gear level and same pa level in a full raid setup. The DPS clustering of warriors, mages, rogues, and clerics were tight as well with each class having a dps range of <100 within the class with the same specs.

I would suggest that other guilds get on equal gear level and equal PA levels and parse. And yes, that means if rogues are using relic 1hdrs then warriors should be as well. Equalize on either full T1 or full T2 PAs. And yes, that means an incredibly long time clicking PAs. They really need a shift-click option for PAs.

If your having these finding's then All I can say is ur rogues and mages have a L2play issue.. Cause when we parse in BB we def don't have that problem you do.

[Blackblade]

If your having these finding's then All I can say is ur rogues and mages have a L2play issue.. Cause when we parse in BB we def don't have that problem you do.

Agree with this.

Durango - Please post the parse that you claim you had sent to the developer. If warriors are indeed parsing 500+ above others, it needs to be toned down. No rationale raider wants huge discrepencies across classes hence it would help us understand where you are coming from and see where does it compare with the numerous other parses in this 300 page thread.

[Valthirus]

@ Atrius

If you want DW and 2h to be both viable you need to have one designated as the superior ST/AOE spec.

DW should be 300+ ahead in ST and 2h should be ahead in AOE like it is now (or vice versa).

TY - JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE

[Durango]

Agree with this.

Durango - Please post the parse that you claim you had sent to the developer. If warriors are indeed parsing 500+ above others, it needs to be toned down. No rationale raider wants huge discrepencies across classes hence it would help us understand where you are coming from and see where does it compare with the numerous other parses in this 300 page thread.

The problem is that it is already in the hands of the only people that matter: the devs. It was done in the only way that matters for cross class balance: at equal PA and equal gear in a full raid setting. There is little point in most of the parses that have been posted here except for intra-class comparison. I'm sure that several guilds will do parses on the PTS with equal gear and equal PAs in full raid settings and these will also be submitted to the devs.

The net result will hopefully be targets buffs/debuff of various classes to get the DPS in line across classes. The biggest outlier right now btw is cleric DPS specs that are between 900-1000 DPS behind warriors.

Me posting parses here won't really accomplish anything. If you are curious, get your guild on PTS, get in equiv gear and settle upon equiv PAs, and parse in a full raid with all buffs/debuffs and all consumables. Then submit the full logs of the parses along with snaps of the raid DPS breakdowns, decided gear level (T1, T2, T3 BiS), and standardized PA level (T1, T2, T3) to the devs. The more people parsing on PTS in equiv gear levels and equiv PA levels with a full raid and submitting the full logs to the devs, the better. Whether you end up also posting your parses here or not doesn't really matter, this is just a forum and anything without a full combat log isn't that useful overall.

[WilkesW]

@ Atrius

If you want DW and 2h to be both viable you need to have one designated as the superior ST/AOE spec.

DW should be 300+ ahead in ST and 2h should be ahead in AOE like it is now (or vice versa).

TY - JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE

Thank you for highlighting this!
This is needed to make both setups equally used IMO

[fruktan]

Thank you for highlighting this!
This is needed to make both setups equally used IMO

Why not make both equally good so you let the weapon drops decide whatever build you choose?

[intrinsc]

Why not make both equally good so you let the weapon drops decide whatever build you choose?

lol

[Valthirus]

Why not make both equally good so you let the weapon drops decide whatever build you choose?

That would be nice, but it would require a reworking of DW... The AOE is dwarfed by 2h.

[Blackblade]

That would be nice, but it would require a reworking of DW... The AOE is dwarfed by 2h.

Inb4 PFalcon teaching you how to AoE with PoTH.

[intrinsc]

Inb4 PFalcon teaching you how to AoE with PoTH.

PFalcon is the ultimate warrior, don't you know?

[Sekhmet The Fierce]

PFalcon is the ultimate warrior, don't you know?

He's my internet hero <3

I even got a poster...