AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Rizaz]

lols that parse was the one in debate earleir.. they were the only ones who had it go that much higher than anyone else.. no one fomr any fo the top guilds in the world could reprodce what they did( and we had the same exact gear and rotation, so how did they parse that much higher).. plus they had t3 pa and extra non realistic damage buffs in a raid parse..(i.e 3 chloro's on one should even be using more than 1 chloro in Hk atm)

Completely wrong. Zauric's parse was deflated because of the fierce strike bug and he lost GCDs on top of that. Otherwise, his parse would have been 4500-4600 just like ours. Completely, 100% misinformation.

[batou079]

Well, nice job on the parse collections... shows we are still lacking for 2h.
http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ts-parses.html

A bit disappointed to see our standing vs other classes after 300 pages of discussion with our dev "to bring us in line with other classes".
Hopefully that global soul buffing he mentioned is still gonna happen.

[Rizaz]

Well, nice job on the parse collections... shows we are still lacking for 2h.

A bit disappointed to see our standing vs other classes after 300 pages of discussion with our dev "to bring us in line with other classes".
Hopefully that global soul buffing he mentioned is still gonna happen.

The 2h definitely needs a 200-300 dps bump from what I'm seeing.

[Ferago]

So unpatient you are

Us unpatient? That's unpossible!

[Angryweasel]

So the first Icy Burst is a 2 point Icy Burst?

Yes first Icy is 2 pts or else you wont be able to do 2 icy in 1 fb

[Voldeth]

Completely wrong. Zauric's parse was deflated because of the fierce strike bug and he lost GCDs on top of that. Otherwise, his parse would have been 4500-4600 just like ours. Completely, 100% misinformation.

This really just needs to be dropped. Yes, Voodoo's parses were ahead of what other warriors were doing. Yes, they used 3 Wild Growth's (which probably had less than a 50 DPS increase). Yes, it probably contributed (along with every other 4300+ parse, of which there were many) to a nerf.

The point of testing something on the PTS is to avoid sweeping nerfs after something has been put on live, which I think we can all agree sucks. At this point, all we're accomplishing by continuing with this is alienating a guild who are providing raid buff parses (of which there are quite few doing this) and derailing a thread that clearly needs to be focused on how to bring 2hand back up to where it needs to be.

[Neterim]

Get some raid parses in with top live gear. ask a GM for the gear. If you have time and guildies willing to offer mages/rogues/clerics to simulate a raid, do so. That's all we can do so far. We have tons of self-buffed parses that shows kinda the same : DW is too strong, 2H is still low, 51 champ has broken synergy.

Let's do this ? I did about 10 hours of parsing since the beginning of all these updates. I can't get raid buffed one...if some of you can...please do so. And stop flaming Voodoo, geez. Just drop the other subjects. Atrius simply asked raid buffed parses and self buffed one. we got enough self-buffed. bring in raid ones that have mages and rogues in it and write as many data concerning your parse. No matter what some of you thinks, I highly doubt Atrius's a bad dev. He's been pretty honest so far and gave us lot of feedback. Let's do the last thing he asked and keep the thread to a minimum QQing.

[XxShunsuixX]

Yes first Icy is 2 pts or else you wont be able to do 2 icy in 1 fb

It's ok to do a 3point Icy burst after fiery burst then another 3point icy burst both those get enhanced burst damage and you only lose fiery burst for a couple seconds.. Fieryburst isn't even the majority of ur damage anymore 2 3point icyburst then fiery burst regardless if fiery drops or not..

[paper]

You can fit two 3 point icy bursts per 3 point fiery burst as long as you don't lag.

[XxShunsuixX]

You can fit two 3 point icy bursts per 3 point fiery burst as long as you don't lag.

You always gotta put things more eloquently than I do, dam you..

[batou079]

Get some raid parses in with top live gear...

linking again people seem to have missed this very useful raid parsed set.
http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ts-parses.html

[Neterim]

linking again people seem to have missed this very useful raid parsed set.
http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ts-parses.html

Thank you, I did read them. Problem is the warriors don't have the same stats. They should ask a GM to obtain the gear and use the exact stats/buffs. (in my opinion). But nice job.

[YobiRaion]

Now change of the weapon activates GCD, Bladefury and Migty Blow have crap dmg with DW, 2H ftw and imo only 2 spec now, ST spec for ST encounters or AoE spec for AoE (51 champ ofc Cornered Beast + Destroyers Bearing >>>>> SLI + 18% crit dmg)

Further changes of BM soul are frozen? now we have only 40/26 Champ/Para with very mediocre dps ;) Whether and as there will be changes 51 roots of paragon soul? now 51 paragon build as are useless

I generally agree, however, not all encounters are purely AoE or purely ST. There are several combinations of ST and AoE in existing encounters.

With that said, for encounters like Zilas or Grugonim, where given that the raid dps is high enough you will be having a heavy ST fight with some AoE bursts, going 38/26/2 DW and using BF even if it's gimped compared to a 2H BF hit is still a dps gain.


@Rizaz - regarding post #3004
As for 2H needing a 200dps bump is partly true. They need some of their synergy restored first, then checked to see where they are parsing and if they are still low then yes a bump too. 51ch synergy with other builds is still broken after the latest changes.

@Voldeth - regarding post #2963
Pretty awesome feedback with those parses that u posted earlier.
This is exactly what I meant about what the proper way of posting feedback in this thread is. gj

[Durango]

linking again people seem to have missed this very useful raid parsed set.
http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ts-parses.html

Things to ask yourself...

Were they in equal levels of gear? likely no.
did they have equal levels of PA? likely no.
Are the parses valid? likely no.

Right now on PTS, 44 para is the highest parsing build of any class with equal gear/pa. 200-300 above mages and 400-500 above rogues.

[XxShunsuixX]

Things to ask yourself...

Were they in equal levels of gear? likely no.
did they have equal levels of PA? likely no.
Are the parses valid? likely no.

Right now on PTS, 44 para is the highest parsing build of any class with equal gear/pa. 200-300 above mages and 400-500 above rogues.

Don't state such things for dps numbers unless you have proof.. What they did for aprsing was more than what you have contributed and what we can go off of for now.. there will be more raid parses coming I can assure you that.. none which put rogues and mages 200-500 behind.. Where you got your information is quite baffling.