AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[intrinsc]

I'd like to see the 1 chloro parse.

[Rizaz]

Except Atrius balanced 1.8 based on 3x chloro parse.

Please, explain to me what 3x chloros even means? Everyone gets the same 10% damage increase. So if he balanced it based on 3x chloros, it would be the same as if balancing on 1x chloro or 10x chloro or 20x chloro.

Do you not understand this?

[intrinsc]

Please, explain to me what 3x chloros even means? Everyone gets the same 10% damage increase. So if he balanced it based on 3x chloros, it would be the same as if balancing on 1x chloro or 10x chloro or 20x chloro.

Do you not understand this?

I think what he means is that if anyone uses 3 chloros to cycling wild growth to bump their numbers up to where another class would have with just 1 chloro then that one class using 3 chloro's would be nerfed back unnecessarily and when they use 1 chloro with new numbers won't match the class using 1 chloro to parse. Unless, your 3x chloro parse did, indeed, have mages and rogues parsing similar to you. In which case I see no problem because those other 2 callings will reap the same benefits.

[Rizaz]

I think what he means is that if anyone uses 3 chloros to cycling wild growth to bump their numbers up to where another class would have with just 1 chloro then that one class using 3 chloro's would be nerfed back unnecessarily and when they use 1 chloro with new numbers won't match the class using 1 chloro to parse. Unless, your 3x chloro parse did, indeed, have mages and rogues parsing similar to you. In which case I see no problem because those other 2 callings will reap the same benefits.

This was a raid parse. The mages and rogues had the same 3x wild growth or 1x wild growth.

[Sebb]

For all the people QQing about champion AOE:

I did some aoe parsing on the dummy:

51 Para/15rb dw - 1k per target
51 rb/15para dw - 1k per target
44 para/20ch/2rb dw - 0.9k per target
51ch/15rb - 1.3k 2h - 1.3k per target, probably a little bit more since the dummies didn't have enough life for a BF crit.

[gfiz]

Please, explain to me what 3x chloros even means? Everyone gets the same 10% damage increase. So if he balanced it based on 3x chloros, it would be the same as if balancing on 1x chloro or 10x chloro or 20x chloro.

Do you not understand this?

yea...but did you give him their parses, or just yours? Because I think that's what some are trying to say, albeit poorly, is that the reaction was to your "raid parse", which isn't a typical raid by any stretch with 3 chloro's, and the concern I believe is that would give a false sense of a typical "raid parse".

[Sebb]

I think what he means is that if anyone uses 3 chloros to cycling wild growth to bump their numbers up to where another class would have with just 1 chloro then that one class using 3 chloro's would be nerfed back unnecessarily and when they use 1 chloro with new numbers won't match the class using 1 chloro to parse. Unless, your 3x chloro parse did, indeed, have mages and rogues parsing similar to you. In which case I see no problem because those other 2 callings will reap the same benefits.

But it doesn't matter what # dps people were getting as much as the fact that the warriors were higher than everyone else.

[Gargoyles]

No the important thing to note here is" Do not take an epeen guilds parses seriously ever"

[gfiz]

But it doesn't matter what # dps people were getting as much as the fact that the warriors were higher than everyone else.

And if Atrius was actually taking rogue and mage metrics from us as well, then you would have a point.

[Steelwind]

Please, explain to me what 3x chloros even means? Everyone gets the same 10% damage increase. So if he balanced it based on 3x chloros, it would be the same as if balancing on 1x chloro or 10x chloro or 20x chloro.

Do you not understand this?

Wild Growth is a 60s cooldown with a 12s duration. Using 3 Chloros meant that you got a 10% buff for 24s longer than a true raid parse per minute. Everyone who parsed during this 3 chloro setup had their dps numbers increased.

It was obvious that Atrius balanced 1.8 based on these results. Because they compared their results in which they more than likely used 1 chloro for their tests. They compared a 1 chloro parse to your 3 chloro parse and determined that a nerf was necessary.

Will you please post your 1 chloro parse so that Atrius can see the difference? Thank you.

[Rizaz]

Wild Growth is a 60s cooldown with a 12s duration. Using 3 Chloros meant that you got a 10% buff for 24s longer than a true raid parse per minute. Everyone who parsed during this 3 chloro setup had their dps numbers increased.

It was obvious that Atrius balanced 1.8 based on these results. Because they compared their results in which they more than likely used 1 chloro for their tests. They compared a 1 chloro parse to your 3 chloro parse and determined that a nerf was necessary.

Will you please post your 1 chloro parse so that Atrius can see the difference? Thank you.

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[Drathek]

This whole massive conspiracy theory thing a lot of you are spouting off is insane. Give me a break

Rizaz already stated those were raid parses. The whole parse was turned in showing all the classes

Whether they used 1 chloro or 3 or 0 or 20 was irrelevant.

Now can we please drop this stupidity and get back on track. Put parses up or ideas on how to actually fix warrior dps a bit more on 2h and balance things out the best it can be (which I know won't ever be completely perfect)

As long as the specs are within 10% of each other I'm pretty happy, which I believe was the old metric people always wanted. 5% would be even better, but if we can get around that point I don't think anyone should really complain unless they are the biggest nitpickers you can find, as it'll all come down to which type of weapon u want to use then and how fast you get upgrades for it

[Kiika]

No the important thing to note here is" Do not take an epeen guilds parses seriously ever"

I just feel like atrius should have tested this himself instead of going nerf trigger happy and breaking specs and just making rash decisions based off of unrealistic parses. A few warriors shouldnt make the whole warrior community suffer because they were eager to display how elite they are.

[Soulsurfing]

Thank you for the clarification.

[intrinsc]

This was a raid parse. The mages and rogues had the same 3x wild growth or 1x wild growth.

Yeah, that makes a ton more sense. I think people saw your parse, with no one else, and thought it was you by yourself and no one else on the overall parse.