AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Barakas]

Any chance of getting Disruptive Strike down to a 9 second cooldown? It's been reduced down to 10 seconds on PTS from the current 15 seconds on Live. The 10 second cooldown though doesn't fit cleanly into our 1.5 second GCD.

If the cooldown was reduced to 9 seconds it would fit nicely into a couple of rotations allowing for it's immediate use when it comes off of cooldown without wasting the extra AP point that it grants.

An example use for this rotation would be (I know it's probably crappy DPS....I was just playing around with different rotations)

46/20/0 Champ/Para/Reav:

Disruptive Strike > 1AP ability > GCD Finisher > 1AP ability > Followup > GCD Finisher > (repeat)

44/20/2 Champ/Para/RB:

Disruptive Strike > 1AP ability > IB > 1AP ability > Folllowup > IB > 1AP ability > Followup > IB > (repeat)


Also, there's currently a bug with the paragon's Weapon Master ability. The 2nd ability point should be generated immediately but there's a slight delay in it being granted. If you hit IB too quickly you end up only hitting with a 2pt IB instead of the proper 3 pt IB with the second ability point showing up after IB has already gone off.

[Drathek]

question - is enhanced burst working properly on the pts atm?

maybe im imagining things- but im used to seeing a second burst effect on the target after hitting with a burst showing the debuff on them for those 6 seconds or so that your bursts would do extra damage.. I am NOT seeing that extra effect on the pts and havent had much luck parsing rb builds today.

I spent a while parsing different builds with my live gear, unfortunately not using ACT (different parser) and couldnt get good screenies of it.. but this is what i was getting anyhow
all parses are in full hk epic gear (no relics- normally im a tank), inferno 2hand from rotp, pvp trinket, with ei cupcake, +35 dex/str pot and exquisite oilstones or whetstones. when dw'ing was using double rolling thunders from hk. all were at least 3-5 min parses as well

40 champ 26 bm - 2600 dps 1145 AP, 1036 crit - smooth great rotation between ts/fs as finishers (bm crystal)

26 bm, 26 champ, 14 paragon - 2350 dps 1175 ap, 1036 crit have to balance rw rotation, not great - horrible spec lol, just figured it try it

44 bm 22 champ - 2380 dps- 1149 ap,1040 crit - awkward balancing 3 finishers for bleeds (bm crystal)

rw spec from live - 2100 dps - 1140 ap 1001 crit (champ crystal)

44 paragon 22 champ 0 rb - 2480 dps - 1177 AP, 1052 crit (x1.07 (BM buff) 2650, should be same or better than 40bm/26 champ) paragon crystal
44 paragon 20 champ 2 rb - 2480ish dps - 1177 dps 1052 crit paragon crystal

51 champ 13 rb 2 bm (bm crystal) 2280 dps - 1127 ap, 1001 crit better aoe then the 9para/5 bm
51 champ 9paragon 5 bm (bm crystal) 2250 dps 1157 ap, 1001 crit smooth rotation (ts/pb)


the dw 44 paragon specs were good, though i like them on live so that rotation was really smooth and easy. 40 champ/26 bm i quite liked as well, wouldnt be as good for movement fights as the dw specs, but was nice and would have solid aoe unlike the dw specs.

ill work on getting ACT figured out before going to parse again.. but to me it seems the 51 champ builds need a bit of a boost, and the high BM builds need some work. Primal Fury was just awkward to work in, and didnt seem to be worth the trouble to use yet.

I also had to break off a lot of parses early and swap to using the dungeon elite dummy since i kept having randoms run up and start hitting the dummy i was on mid parse

looking forward to getting some better gear so i can see some of these higher number parses alot of you guys are showing.


EDIT-- pa's i have like 260 or so-- full t1 and 2 sword pa's, full t1 2hander pa's

[Pyrodude78]

Debilitating strike still needs love! And the champion crystal redesigned

[Undrsiege]

Debilitating strike still needs love! And the champion crystal redesigned

Also LW needs a 1s ICD as opposed to the Rogues VM reduction by number of targets hit...

[AlienFromBeyond]

question - is enhanced burst working properly on the pts atm?

maybe im imagining things- but im used to seeing a second burst effect on the target after hitting with a burst showing the debuff on them for those 6 seconds or so that your bursts would do extra damage.. I am NOT seeing that extra effect on the pts and havent had much luck parsing rb builds today.

Maybe you should look at PTS notes more, Enhanced Burst now gives a damage done buff instead of a damage taken debuff.

[Drathek]

Maybe you should look at PTS notes more, Enhanced Burst now gives a damage done buff instead of a damage taken debuff.

thanks! for some reason thought that was only for fierce strike to keep it from missing..guess ill back thru the notes to see what else i might have skimmed past

[Faydo]

Here is my share of testing , i have tested 5 specs 3 2handers and 2 DW builds.
All of these parses were done with self buffs + consumables ( 20 AP cupcake , Oilstones+whetstones , 40 str/dext vial and a tablet)
I also have 411 PAs

2H Builds

41/23/2 RB/CH/RV http://i.imgur.com/a5tGN.png
1202 AP
1073 crit
RB crystal
Weapon : Greatsword of ancient betrayal


51/15/0 CH/RB/BM http://i.imgur.com/8lFR9.png
1202 AP
1073 crit
BM crystal
Weapon : Greatsword of ancient betrayal


28/23/15 RB/CH/Para http://i.imgur.com/VelD7.png
1232 AP
1073 crit
RB crystal
Weapon : Greatsword of ancient betrayal

DW Builds

44/20/2 Para/CH/RB http://i.imgur.com/EmV9M.png
1232AP
1073 crit
Paragon Crystal
Weapons : Rolling Thunder x2


51/15/0 RB/Para http://i.imgur.com/LdnLV.png
1176 AP
1073 crit
RB crystal
Weapons : Rolling Thunder x2



It has been a while since i've been on the PTS , what i noticed that with the DB nerf 51/15/0 CH/RB/BM has lost its synergy and the rotation was weird , every cycle was different from the other with all the Debi strike + Disruptive , also please atrius can you do something about WM delay? it's annoying to have to wait for that proc before doing our finishers.

[Pines]

It has been a while since i've been on the PTS , what i noticed that with the DB nerf 51/15/0 CH/RB/BM has lost its synergy and the rotation was weird , every cycle was different from the other with all the Debi strike + Disruptive , also please atrius can you do something about WM delay? it's annoying to have to wait for that proc before doing our finishers.

This. Bring back synergy between Destroyer's + elemental finishers, please.

[Faydo]

stupid edit timer >.<

Also looking at those parses we are having the same problem of having DW higher than 2h builds again by a fair margin and as far as i know atrius said that he wants all builds being comparable so something need to be done about DW because i'm pretty sure 90% of the warrior community would have problems rolling with DW as their highest ST DPS as this topic has been discussed before.

[Mack0603]

I did a couple of DW parses. I don't have a HK 2H as of yet. We haven't had one drop... EVER!! for 4 months...

I do not claim to be the best at rotations, especially new ones, but I tried my best. I did notice that i missed a couple Frenzied Strikes during the ideal time, like 2 or 3, in BOTH parses.

Both parses were done with FULL consumables, ie; Whetstones, 40 str/dex pot, 20 AP cake and Tablet. I also used my Golem Inductor trinket.

Stats for both parses are,
1178 AP
1143 Crit
Dolin's Royal Blade x2

44/22/0 para/champ/RB http://i.imgur.com/NpJWO.png

44/20/2 para/champ/RB http://i.imgur.com/b5Rcq.png

[wraithh]

stupid edit timer >.<

Also looking at those parses we are having the same problem of having DW higher than 2h builds again by a fair margin and as far as i know atrius said that he wants all builds being comparable so something need to be done about DW because i'm pretty sure 90% of the warrior community would have problems rolling with DW as their highest ST DPS as this topic has been discussed before.

Maybe the proper approach is to tone down WOTW a tad? That'll keep most things except 44 or 38 para the same, so basically letting him not worry about side effects of the adjustment. That or Deadly Grace seem the right places to look in paragon to drop it a bit without killing any synergies and specifically focused on DW things.

[Ekso]

DW 38/28 ParaRiftblade, tablet + flask + whetstones, full relic gear + GI, but without Akylios relic weapons

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9748/111bm.png

P.S. Atrius Can will refuse the dual nature of Rising Waterfall? It is much simpler to make 2 different abilities on 2 paragon root - RW for 2H and their analog for DW, and it is better!, without superfluous "crutches" in game mechanics... btw on DW Rising waterfall doesn't extend bonus from Paragon Sinergy Crystall and it as dps losses in all DW builds.. and only because of this DW 38/28 Parariftblade has smaller dps than 51/15 Parariftblade with RB sinergy

[Ekso]

Oops sorry fu*in Golem Inductor the crystal works with Rising Waterfall

[Ekso]

DW 51 RB
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8799/111rqp.png

anyway i don't know than it is possible to explain low AP contribution of DW attacks (in total except Paired Strike)..

with ~450 AP (without all gear except duals) me have 1597 crits RW, and only 1559 crits Rift Strike and its with Duals! (Rift Strike considers only 50% main hand weapon dmg)

with ~1250 AP (all gear without GI and sinergy) I already have 2411 crits RW and 2627 crits Rift Strke (all without enchanced Burst ofc)

and at any further increase in AP the difference between Rift Strike and Rising Waterfall only increases, too occurs if to compare Dual Strike vs Searing Strike/Power Strike/Fierce Strike, BUT between Paired Strike, Disruptive Strike and Rift Strike no difference..

[Ferboten]

Part of the reason DW builds are higher than 2H is because DW is currently benefiting double from whetstones. Basically when you use a whetstone on MH it adds 5 dps to both MH and OH, and the same thing when you use a whetstone on OH. This adds around 60 dps to unbuffed parses.