AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Sebb]

Can't the same be said for st

Sure, but given that ST rotations typically involve more abilities and are hopefully more complicated, doing the reverse order is more difficult.

[Undrsiege]

Sure, but given that ST rotations typically involve more abilities and are hopefully more complicated, doing the reverse order is more difficult.

One can hope they model the new id crystals to be more like the pvp cystals and make everything easier to balance between classes... This is the chance to get it right... With warriors scaling now it it should be easier than before...

[Steelwind]

Let's get back to posting some parses. Thanks all.

[Sebb]

One can hope they model the new id crystals to be more like the pvp cystals and make everything easier to balance between classes... This is the chance to get it right... With warriors scaling now it it should be easier than before...

You'd think the MM/Champ/Lock fiasco would have taught them something.

[Undrsiege]

You'd think the MM/Champ/Lock fiasco would have taught them something.

Indeed.......

[Valmina]

AoE does not matter in Boss encounters. Only ST damage.

(weird bug in quoting your post )

What do you mean by that ? In terms of numbers (DPS) or gameplay (1-4 Aky phases with both aoe and st) ?

[Steelwind]

(weird bug in quoting your post )

What do you mean by that ? In terms of numbers (DPS) or gameplay (1-4 Aky phases with both aoe and st) ?

In terms of Boss encounters for Warriors. Since we are melee single target should be priority over aoe. AoE total damage is easily made up by the entire raid.

[mattya802]

Are we really back to discussing AoE vs ST souls?

[Undrsiege]

Are we really back to discussing AoE vs ST souls?

If 1 build has top dps in both you better believe it...

[Neterim]

Let's get back to posting some parses. Thanks all.

^ THIS

This thread is already 260 pages long, and it's all about warrior. Atrius will handle the balance and like Sebb said, let's handle ST before handling AoE. At some point we posted LOT of parses (page251-252) which are gonna be useful. Rest is (often) just a class war. Any non-warrior shouldn't even be allowed to post here...it often just bring a chain post of comparison that are atm, useless in the testing we're doing. Please makes this thread useful. Atrius's trying to fix us up for real, giving us a real choice in viable specs and from the testing I did and saw, champion and BM are in need of work.

Post parses, suggest useful adjustments that maybe Atrius didn't think about, and stop the freaking class war Please. I don't know how to ask if this isn't enough.

[Neterim]

51 Champ specs:

51 champ 13 Para 2 BM: Semi faceroll rotation, best AoE: http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7008/111c.png

51 champ 13 RB 2 BM: Semi faceroll rotation, best AoE: http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6227/111tb.png

If there will be a desire to improve 51 Champ spec, remember that it is the best AOE dps in game ;)

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Ekso, go 0 point in BM and do this : 3 pts FB, 2 pts IB and then 3 pts IB, rinse and repeat. If you try it and get higher, I'd be highly interested in knowing if it's better. Kinda sad that even with destroyer's bearing change...elemental off-gcd STILL is better.

[Sebb]

Parses for Atrius :

Personal notes... Did this for 2-3 hours straight. I'm not perfect, I'm using rotation which I read or made sense to me. I will try to bring raid buffed parses with some Trinity buddies in the following days...hopefully theses parses can help because honestly, doing hours of perfect rotations with many MANY spec is quite exhausting. I asked a GM for the top live gear, so I'm using what's best, not using T3 PA, and I have 760 PA so I have everything relevant...thank you for reading.

tablet, vials and cake FULL PA (except T3) stats + weapon mastery with all top live gear, aka relic HK PLATE armor + golem inductor. Also using top weaponstones and only unique warrior personal buff.

DW : using 2 fangs of akylios : 1210 AP 1102 Crit (without Titan's Strength which adds 73 AP)

51/15/0 para riftblade with 3086 DPS

Rotation : Quite tricky...basic rotation is PS/DS with RW all the time and then comes finisher management. I did the math and swift blades IS good (good being better than FB and IB). so basically, I went with this finisher priority : Swift Blades - Flurry - FB - IB. It worked well for me.

44/20/2 para champ rb with 3220 DPS (Soldier's bearing)

Rotation : PS/DS with RW using IB 3 times before refreshing SLI.

44/22/0 para champ rb with 3100 dps (Slayer's bearing)

Rotation : PS/DS with RW doing SB + RH or just 2X RH depending on SB cooldown

51/15 RB para with RB crystal with 2900 dps

Rotation : Using riftblade normal builder macro aka RS/FS/SS always followed by a RW and a burst.
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2H stats with Kraken, tablet, cake, vials : 1217 AP 1095 Crit

28/26/12 para champ rb with 2730 dps (Way of the river)

Rotation : Debi/PS with RW followed by FB/IB

51/15/0 champ rb bm with bm crystal with 2860 dps

Rotation : Use Disrupt when below 2 attack point, use a 3 point FB, a 2 point IB and a 3 point IB. Debi/Fierce strike.

38/28/0 rb champ (can optimize with more point in RB.) with RB crystal with 3054 dps (Storm Blade/Slayer's Bearing)

Rotation : RS/FS/SS/Frenzied with FB and IB. Increase points in RB might makes it better due to elemental touch.

51/10/5 champ para bm with Champ crystal with 2600 dps

Rotation : Disruptive + Tearing, then you do this rotation twice : Debi/PS + bladefury. then repeat.

51/15 RB champ with RB crystal with 2660 DPS

Rotation : RS/FS/SS with FB/IB.

40/26/0 champ bm rb with 2650 (2400 personal, 250ish pet) Final dps : 2400 + 250*1.20 300 = 2700 DPS

Rotation : Keep tearing, slashing, feral, fierce, debi up at all time using Disruptive to prevent bleed downtime. I did use backhanded blow.

Comments
- Dual-Wield is solid. Although... It is very lame that even with the paragon crystal...using Icy burst is still better...
- 51 Champ massive attack point generation is not very efficient as we have no good finisher to use. Punishing blow ? meh... something's not right here. I suggest making ST finishers debuffing the target, increasing finisher damage or AP contribution by X% and makes it stack to Y stacks. Cause in my opinion, what need to be fixed is champion ST damage and maybe some 51 riftblade buff (maybe boost avatar of the rift burst bonus or ap contribution).
- 51 Riftblade is good enough for me...got aoe, ST, ranged, mobility. Jack-of-all-trade, although it's too weak with a 2H. Should do something about this.
- I know Atrius is fixing BM, so no comment here.
- Keep working hard!

Quoting this, mainly so it comes back to the front.

Had you considered doing a 28RB/23Ch/15Para? Pick up ET and EB and get intense traininy bonus.

Also, may be worth testing 51 Champ/15BM with BM Crystal.
Disruptive -> Tearing -> Fierce -> Fierce -> Punishing -> Fierce -> Fierce -> Punishing. Not sure how it works with 8 GCD per Disruptive

[paper]

Parses for Atrius :

Personal notes... Did this for 2-3 hours straight. I'm not perfect, I'm using rotation which I read or made sense to me. I will try to bring raid buffed parses with some Trinity buddies in the following days...hopefully theses parses can help because honestly, doing hours of perfect rotations with many MANY spec is quite exhausting. I asked a GM for the top live gear, so I'm using what's best, not using T3 PA, and I have 760 PA so I have everything relevant...thank you for reading.

tablet, vials and cake FULL PA (except T3) stats + weapon mastery with all top live gear, aka relic HK PLATE armor + golem inductor. Also using top weaponstones and only unique warrior personal buff.

DW : using 2 fangs of akylios : 1210 AP 1102 Crit (without Titan's Strength which adds 73 AP)

51/15/0 para riftblade with 3086 DPS

Rotation : Quite tricky...basic rotation is PS/DS with RW all the time and then comes finisher management. I did the math and swift blades IS good (good being better than FB and IB). so basically, I went with this finisher priority : Swift Blades - Flurry - FB - IB. It worked well for me.

44/20/2 para champ rb with 3220 DPS (Soldier's bearing)

Rotation : PS/DS with RW using IB 3 times before refreshing SLI.

44/22/0 para champ rb with 3100 dps (Slayer's bearing)

Rotation : PS/DS with RW doing SB + RH or just 2X RH depending on SB cooldown

51/15 RB para with RB crystal with 2900 dps

Rotation : Using riftblade normal builder macro aka RS/FS/SS always followed by a RW and a burst.
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2H stats with Kraken, tablet, cake, vials : 1217 AP 1095 Crit

28/26/12 para champ rb with 2730 dps (Way of the river)

Rotation : Debi/PS with RW followed by FB/IB

51/15/0 champ rb bm with bm crystal with 2860 dps

Rotation : Use Disrupt when below 2 attack point, use a 3 point FB, a 2 point IB and a 3 point IB. Debi/Fierce strike.

38/28/0 rb champ (can optimize with more point in RB.) with RB crystal with 3054 dps (Storm Blade/Slayer's Bearing)

Rotation : RS/FS/SS/Frenzied with FB and IB. Increase points in RB might makes it better due to elemental touch.

51/10/5 champ para bm with Champ crystal with 2600 dps

Rotation : Disruptive + Tearing, then you do this rotation twice : Debi/PS + bladefury. then repeat.

51/15 RB champ with RB crystal with 2660 DPS

Rotation : RS/FS/SS with FB/IB.

40/26/0 champ bm rb with 2650 (2400 personal, 250ish pet) Final dps : 2400 + 250*1.20 300 = 2700 DPS

Rotation : Keep tearing, slashing, feral, fierce, debi up at all time using Disruptive to prevent bleed downtime. I did use backhanded blow.

Comments
- Dual-Wield is solid. Although... It is very lame that even with the paragon crystal...using Icy burst is still better...
- 51 Champ massive attack point generation is not very efficient as we have no good finisher to use. Punishing blow ? meh... something's not right here. I suggest making ST finishers debuffing the target, increasing finisher damage or AP contribution by X% and makes it stack to Y stacks. Cause in my opinion, what need to be fixed is champion ST damage and maybe some 51 riftblade buff (maybe boost avatar of the rift burst bonus or ap contribution).
- 51 Riftblade is good enough for me...got aoe, ST, ranged, mobility. Jack-of-all-trade, although it's too weak with a 2H. Should do something about this.
- I know Atrius is fixing BM, so no comment here.
- Keep working hard!

Appreciate the hard work, I haven't had much time to parse and likely won't till Sunday, but looks solid. If the BM changes were reversed it would look like dw and two hand would both have an equivalent spec. Also did we ever figure out if 41/23/2(rb/ch/rv) would still beat out 38/28 like it used to? That is the only thing I would like to test for myself.

Also is pretty hilarious that 51 champ still needs to use fb and icy burst despite the destroyer's nerf.

[Neterim]

I will go test this when I can, aka right now.

so 41/23/2, 51/15 champ bm and 28/23/15 para. gimme a hour or so

[Sebb]

I will go test this when I can, aka right now.

so 41/23/2, 51/15 champ bm and 28/23/15 para. gimme a hour or so

Keep up the hard work

I hope to do some parsing tonight or tomorrow.