AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[LocoOne]

Imo return icy burst and let it do less than 50% of punishing blow (35-45%) making it a non desired finisher for low point RB 2-15, making it oGCD again
Then swap scald and Elemental caress around so that it comes higher up making it unable to have synergy with 51 cha/51para, maybe even place it up as high as Empowered Strike
-elemental caress: 12points
-empowered strikes: 17points
-Scald: 27points
Here buff Scald by alot making it a desired ST finisher for deep RB, doing more than what Storm Burst and Earth Burst is doing now.

This way deep para and deep champ will still want to use onGCD finishers.
deep champ will go 51 champ regardless because of the DB
51 para still needs works tho.

[justadude]

BM is still only applying the 7 percent buff to his own group on PTS

[Blackblade]

Imo return icy burst and let it do less than 50% of punishing blow (35-45%) making it a non desired finisher for low point RB 2-15, making it oGCD again.

Agree. People in general liked the playstyle of 51 CH / 15 RB due to how smooth the spec plays and that it actually had a rotation. If it was parsing too high, lower the O-GCD damage accordingly.

[Undrsiege]

Agree. People in general liked the playstyle of 51 CH / 15 RB due to how smooth the spec plays and that it actually had a rotation. If it was parsing too high, lower the O-GCD damage accordingly.

So you would actually use a skill that is a dps loss just strictly for a fluid rotation, because we know raiders will not... We are probably talking about it losing 300+ dps....

[Blackblade]

So you would actually use a skill that is a dps loss just strictly for a fluid rotation, because we know raiders will not... We are probably talking about it losing 300+ dps....

If losing 300+ DPS would bring us in-line with other classes, then it is needed. Rizaz stated that Warriors > Mages & Rogues on PTS (Warriors circa 4.6 - 4.9k. Others around 4.3k (?) ). I would rather have class balance than be OP.

The big culprit here was Icy Burst which was probably OP due to it being Off-GCD and proccing an AP with 51 CH. Builder + Finisher (on crit) in Full T2 Raid gear is approximately 6.9k (self buff). You would need Punishing Blow to hit for 7k - 8k (as you do not get the Attack Point) if the intention is to bring it up to the same level as IB. Clearly this would be OP hence the only option is to bring damage of Icy Burst down.

[Atrius]

More changes that will be going up tomorrow.

Champion
Deadly Strikes now only enhances the first hit of the Beastmaster Bleed abilities.
Take No Prisoners now only enhances the first hit of the Beastmaster Bleed abilities.

Beastmaster
Survival of the Fittest now gives more bonus to pet damage and less to Beastmaster damage.
Fierce Strike now buffs the pet instead of debuffing the enemy. This fixes the stacking issues.


And finally, we are going to see how this works. I found a potential solution to Icy Burst that might allow it to go back off the Global Cooldown. Please test this when you see it. As I have said before, I want the Bursts to all be off Global Cooldown since I like the way it plays so this is my attempt to keep that gameplay. I am going to need raid parses and individual parses on the two builds from before; 51 Champ/15 Riftblade and 44 Paragon / 20 Champion / 2 Riftblade.

Riftblade
Icy Burst is a Burst again, it is once again off the Global Cooldown. It has had it's damage reduced and now has a 3 second cooldown.

[Sharogy]

debilitating strike also have the stacking issue btw, and it prolly affects some other attacks that debuff the target as well, sounds like a tech issue.

personaly i would like to see destroyer bearing change reverted, it has always been icy burst that was overpowered, not the AP proc. no reason to nerf the synergy of the souls.

[Atrius]

debilitating strike also have the stacking issue btw, and it prolly affects some other attacks that debuff the target as well, sounds like a tech issue.

personaly i would like to see destroyer bearing change reverted, it has always been icy burst that was overpowered, not the AP proc. no reason to nerf the synergy of the souls.

It will be evaluated.

[Sharogy]

while on the topic, just went on ptr and parsed the 44 para 22 champ dw.

http://i.minus.com/i3lqzfCkxZQ5.png

(self buff + consumables)

given im parsing with 2 relic tanking mace. with better wpn and more ap, it should be parsing very close to the 40/26 beastmaster build in raid.

now with BM nerfed, this dw build will likely be the top dps by a fair margin.

[AlienFromBeyond]

At this rate all DPS build will have to be 51/15 because whenever some sort of synergy between souls appear it gets removed. I don't want to put points in my 2nd/3rd soul just for some passives and 1 hour buffs, I want a melding of abilities from both of them that makes the build better overall.

[Steelwind]

debilitating strike also have the stacking issue btw, and it prolly affects some other attacks that debuff the target as well, sounds like a tech issue.

personaly i would like to see destroyer bearing change reverted, it has always been icy burst that was overpowered, not the AP proc. no reason to nerf the synergy of the souls.

I'm with Sharogy on this one. 51CH builds will never use Icy Burst if Destroyer Bearing only procs physical finishers.

[Pines]

BM is still only applying the 7 percent buff to his own group on PTS

Is this getting addressed?

[Hunt55511]

I'm with Sharogy on this one. 51CH builds will never use Icy Burst if Destroyer Bearing only procs physical finishers.

Didn't you hear? Synergy is bad~

[Edgeseed]

More changes that will be going up tomorrow.

Champion
Deadly Strikes now only enhances the first hit of the Beastmaster Bleed abilities.
Take No Prisoners now only enhances the first hit of the Beastmaster Bleed abilities.

Beastmaster
Survival of the Fittest now gives more bonus to pet damage and less to Beastmaster damage.
Fierce Strike now buffs the pet instead of debuffing the enemy. This fixes the stacking issues.


And finally, we are going to see how this works. I found a potential solution to Icy Burst that might allow it to go back off the Global Cooldown. Please test this when you see it. As I have said before, I want the Bursts to all be off Global Cooldown since I like the way it plays so this is my attempt to keep that gameplay. I am going to need raid parses and individual parses on the two builds from before; 51 Champ/15 Riftblade and 44 Paragon / 20 Champion / 2 Riftblade.

Riftblade
Icy Burst is a Burst again, it is once again off the Global Cooldown. It has had it's damage reduced and now has a 3 second cooldown.

Atrius, since Icy Burst has revert back to oGCD, what about Destroyer Bear? Since it only give extra attack point to physical finisher, I assume 51champ/15rb will still lower than any other build.

Here are the parses for couple different builds. I do not use my GI trinket because it's too much RNG so I use PVP trinket instead.
All parse with full consumable, 20AP cake, 35str/dex pot, tablet, and oilstone

Stat with consumable before self buff, PVP trinket
http://i.imgur.com/egVAW.jpg

PA
http://i.imgur.com/bsnw6.jpg


51RB/15Para - (DW) - Since Fiery Bust has 8sec CD now, so I rotation earth burst, storm burst and fiery burst. However, both FB/SB has 8sec CD, and EB has 15sec CD, after 5 burst rotations, there is a gap of 1-2sec all 3 burst finisher are on cooldown. Icy Assault hit less than a builder so it's pointless to use it while it lower the overall dps.
http://i.imgur.com/offmd.png

51Champ/15RB - (2-Hander) - Rotated Fiery Burst and Punish Blow as finisher
http://i.imgur.com/yMmZF.png

44Para/22Champ - (DW)
http://i.imgur.com/C83xH.png

40RB/26Champ - (2-Hander) Very good RNG for this parse
http://i.imgur.com/tjeh0.png

40Champ/26BM - (2-Hander) - 2,680DPS, I am BM noob and I hate BM, so my parse might seen low.
http://i.imgur.com/AcNUr.png
http://i.imgur.com/uKb0j.png

[Edgeseed]

Atrius, since Icy Burst has revert back to oGCD, what about Destroyer Bear? Since it only give extra attack point to physical finisher, I assume 51champ/15rb will still lower than any other build.

Here are the parses for couple different builds. I do not use my GI trinket because it's too much RNG so I use PVP trinket instead.
All parse with full consumable, 20AP cake, 35str/dex pot, tablet, and oilstone

Stat with consumable before self buff, PVP trinket
http://i.imgur.com/egVAW.jpg

PA
http://i.imgur.com/bsnw6.jpg


51RB/15Para - (DW) - Since Fiery Bust has 8sec CD now, so I rotation earth burst, storm burst and fiery burst. However, both FB/SB has 8sec CD, and EB has 15sec CD, after 5 burst rotations, there is a gap of 1-2sec all 3 burst finisher are on cooldown. Icy Assault hit less than a builder so it's pointless to use it while it lower the overall dps.
http://i.imgur.com/offmd.png

51Champ/15RB - (2-Hander) - Rotated Fiery Burst and Punish Blow as finisher
http://i.imgur.com/yMmZF.png

44Para/22Champ - (DW)
http://i.imgur.com/C83xH.png

40RB/26Champ - (2-Hander) Very good RNG for this parse
http://i.imgur.com/tjeh0.png

40Champ/26BM - (2-Hander) - 2,680DPS, I am BM noob and I hate BM, so my parse might seen low.
http://i.imgur.com/AcNUr.png
http://i.imgur.com/uKb0j.png

BTW, I use 2 46.4 sword http://i.imgur.com/s33uz.jpg