AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Undrsiege]

well to be fair, Rizaz's top raid buffed dummy parse of 4600 is a far cry from "warriors are parsing 5K on the dummy" claim.

Rizaz said their is a 5k parse so please follow along.

[batou079]

I assure you that Voodoo warriors, in the parses that I participated in, were not wearing ID gear. That parse I linked was not with ID gear. It was not on Sicaron. It was fully raid buffed and debuffed with full consumables.

Oh sorry, i was not accusing you guys.

i was referring to the 6-7k outliers that Atrius was asking about earlier in this thread.

A buddy in the ID testing was telling me about someone using ID gear to parse and trying to claim it was just Hk gear. lol, funny stuff.

[Sebb]

Rizaz said their is a 5k parse so please follow along.

Still want to to see that parse too.

[gfiz]

Rizaz said their is a 5k parse so please follow along.

*there

and I am...if pipe got some rng of 5k for a parse then great, hardly a normal or repeatable occurrence i assure you, and certainly not something i'd proclaim as the standard to measure off of.

[Ekso]

If 60 people become balanced by your changes, and 60,000 get thrown out of it, and the goal is balance, then you fail at your job.

Also we will make useless 180000 mages, rogues and clerics?

[justadude]

With regards to our parses, I assure you that any guild with 6 warriors who are either at max dps upgrades in PA or just plain maxed in PA, who can get there 20 person raid to come parse with them, will do our numbers as long as your raid is good at the min/max. That is all that happened there. The gear I wore is the same as I have on live.







Warrior in Voodoo

[Rizaz]

51 Champ was also the top Aoe correct? In your tests?

AOE dummy parsing is worthless.

Actually he makes a good point. If different sets of warriors are using the same gear, spec, and rotation it is impossible for you, or any other warriors in Voodoo, to have higher results unless changing the variables. This is a MMO and every player given the same abilities and gear will always have the same results on a frigging practice dummy. Give me a break. Something is different or getting buffed in some fashion that is not being replicated by other people. It is probably you guys are parsing with better gear and not being honest because for some reason it makes sense to you. The rest of us are not amused. I really hope the developers are confirming these test results. All of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

In the future, don't try and support wacked out and absurd dps results with bullsh***.

Thanks. Goodbye now.l

No. Just no. Storytime would have parsed 4600 in that parse with him, the rogue, and the mage @4300 if he had fixed a few things.

Not really, It goes to a different factor about not posting your parses. But that's a different matter. I also didn't trust most of your parses after what Value posted.

To clarify, here's what happened apparently. Voodoo parsed raid buffed, gave feedback and bypassed the community. Thus changes were made that were completely out of line with what needed to happen.

If instead they were posted here first, things would have happened much different than overhauling 5 out of 6 viable builds.

We didn't give any feedback. I never once spoke to Atrius. I never once suggested that warriors should be nerfed. I never once suggested the IB changes or the destroyer's bearing changes. All we did was parse. Atrius did what he thinks will result in balanced warrior dps both within our class and within the game.

Oh sorry, i was not accusing you guys.

i was referring to the 6-7k outliers that Atrius was asking about earlier in this thread.

A buddy in the ID testing was telling me about someone using ID gear to parse and trying to claim it was just Hk gear. lol, funny stuff.

6-7k is definitely AOE. I don't think even the ID gear would push you that high.

[Hunt55511]

Secretly still curious as to whether Atrius is actually Ailion.

[batou079]

6-7k is definitely AOE. I don't think even the ID gear would push you that high.

I would have thought so too... that is why i had to laugh when it was suggested it was single target :P

[Rizaz]

You guys misquote the hell out of what I'm saying.

The top parse was a 4926 parse which was RNG favored... And that was with maxed out T3 PAs.

The parse that I posted of myself is with my live PAs (~500). Some of the T3 PAs since it was on the PTS, but still only my live PA number.

[gfiz]

also, not for nothing Riz, and I'm sure there will be some hurt feelings over this, but anyone with a fair recollection of raidrifts and riftlogs will remember that game wide, voodoo warriors were generally on the top for parse data, but your rogue parses were not....so think I'd be somewhat careful to draw too much conclusion on the comparison between the two classes just from your single guild parses. I'm sure things have changed, but it's still way too small a sample size to draw that conclusion.

[Kokie]

also, not for nothing Riz, and I'm sure there will be some hurt feelings over this, but anyone with a fair recollection of raidrifts and riftlogs will remember that game wide, voodoo warriors were generally on the top for parse data, but your rogue parses were not....so think I'd be somewhat careful to draw too much conclusion on the comparison between the two classes just from your single guild parses. I'm sure things have changed, but it's still way too small a sample size to draw that conclusion.

+1 more for me getting carried.

[Hunt55511]

+1 more for me getting carried.

You know it's true~. Rizaz is just too beast for any measly rouge (Yes, rouge) to handle.

[paper]

In the parse of mine people are throwing around I missed a crap ton of fierce strikes. My apologies for not noticing that sooner. I reported the bug ~a week ago but then spent more time testing dual wield instead of re-parsing 51champ. It completely didn't enter my mind that I must of been missing them when I did the original parse, so I repeat, you all have my apologies.

[Wali]

I'll repeat what I have said before:

Melee dps (warrior, rogue, cleric) should always out parse ranged dps on a stationary target dummy. In an actual raid environment with raid mechanics like boss mob movement, AoE dodging, add switches, etc., melee and ranged dps should end up parsing about the same. It's unfortunate that raid mechanics in Rift are more unfriendly to melee dps than ranged dps, but that's the way things are today and the dps scaling should account for that.

When all is said and done in 1.8, warrior dps parses on the stationary dummy better outparse rogue ranged specs and mages.