AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[PFalcon]

So a 51chap/15rb with the ogcd icy burst doing 4306 and was comparable to mages and rogue's, umm Champs ST was the best DPS and the best ST dps, while the other ST specs were 300 or more behind, it looked like we wanted to replace the RB 2H spec with a 51 Champ spec. I like the changes, but I would like to see the parses of each spec to compare since the update went through.

No it looks like he's saying look, the bm spec parsed what the champ/IB spec did. The champ/IB spec is 600 dps over every other spec so the BM spec must be too.

Then bang bang went the hammers.

Still not convinced the poor bastardized beastmaster needs a nerf.

[Atrius]

Global Cooldown and anything to do with Global Cooldown will not be changed. If it is determined during PTS testing that we can make another change to Icy Burst to fix the issues, we will do so, but at this time it will remain as it is.

[Atrius]

No it looks like he's saying look, the bm spec parsed what the champ/IB spec did. The champ/IB spec is 600 dps over every other spec so the BM spec must be too.

Then bang bang went the hammers.

Still not convinced the poor bastardized beastmaster needs a nerf.

I am not either, which is why I am asking for data.

[XxShunsuixX]

He's trying to bring all specs in-line with each other so that we can have multiple viable builds, and then boost all of their damage to be in-line with other callings.

While I love the intention, I loathe the way he went about bring downing some of those builds.

We had 3 viable pecs 44/20/2 dw spec parsed equal with 51champ so if warriors wanted to dw they didn't lose anything minus aoe benefactor from high champ.. and bm was only 300 behind.. How many other classes have specs that even have 2 specs equal to each other? we had 2 either dw or 2h ur choice( which i'm sure people loved).Then bm slightly behind but not big enough to where it would deter people from using it.

[PFalcon]

If all you want is data on the 40 champ/BM spec we can have that out by the end of HK raiding primetime tonight, At. Then we can get our re-buff!

[Kyria]

Not to mention that, given prior experience, it'll probably get fixed by increasing the % modifiers even more from their already ridiculously bloated current state.

*wrists*

P.S. 100% agreed on the 1.5s GCD play with no OGCD finishers and vastly lower OGCD hits in general (5 second shared CD) plays massively slower than it ever has, and than one would think was initially intended. There is no satisfaction in 2 button specs.

[Hunt55511]

Yeah, I'm done with my warrior. Note, it has nothing to do with class balance -- My complaint is purely of a class design nature. These changes are going to make warrior gameplay slow. That is boring. I don't care if warriors were 800 DPS over every other calling, I still wouldn't play a warrior if they're going to be using the kinds of rotations we're stuck with on the PTS right now.

Atrius, this is a game. Please try to remember that our class is supposed to be fun to play, not tedious or boring. Most of us want engaging rotations -- this simply will not happen with a 1.5s GCD and GCD finishers.

[Sebb]

Global Cooldown and anything to do with Global Cooldown will not be changed. If it is determined during PTS testing that we can make another change to Icy Burst to fix the issues, we will do so, but at this time it will remain as it is.

Can you explain a little bit more about this 400-600 dps that was being caused by IB that nobody else saw?

[Rizaz]

Sorry to dig up this post. Kokie from Voodoo is claiming that Warriors are doing 5k+ raid buffed parses. Voodoo warriors are (obviously) very good but you guys are no slouches either when it comes to DPS. Based on the builds on PTS now, is that possible?

This is the parse which we have been using for comparison - http://i.imgur.com/9h0sD.png
51 CH / 15 RB Breakdown - http://i.imgur.com/oT208.png

Voodoo warriors in BIS HK gear were doing 4500 - 4800 raid buffed dps depending on rng (one 4926 parse with max PA). Averaging ~4600-4700. Our bottom end was about the top end of rogue BS builds.

It was a bit too high, sorry. I'm confident that Atrius will improve our dps if it is currently too low. And you can be sure that we'll be testing it.

Our BM was about equal to rogues and mages, if that gives you an idea of how high 51 champ was.

[PFalcon]

Voodoo warriors were doing 4500 - 4800 raid buffed dps depending on rng (one 4926 parse with max PA). Averaging ~4600-4700. Our bottom end was about the top end of rogue BS builds.

It was a bit too high, sorry. I'm confident that Atrius will improve our dps if it is currently too low. And you can be sure that we'll be testing it.

Our BM was about equal to rogues and mages, if that gives you an idea of how high 51 champ was.

So the raiding population in general is taking a massive nerf so that over-geared over-PA'd niche elite raiders can be balanced.

[Edit] why dont you just nerf those 60 players instead of the 60,000.

[Thargrom]

This most recent sweep of changes just depresses me. As of this time yesterday, I was looking forward to the new patch... with multiple viable specs that were competitive with each other.

Now, after some mythical spec that managed to pull 400-600 dps extra out of thin air (I won't believe it until I see a parse), we lose synergy between RB and all other dps souls and lose out on a spammable oGCD finisher (quite obviously the great majority of the forum-posting warrior player-base's preferred style of play).

My subscription renewal is coming up in 2 weeks, and I'll be changing the renewal length from 12 months to 1, because I've seen very little actual deep understanding of the warrior class or its players' playstyle or concerns by Atrius. In theory, I respect what you're trying to accomplish with leveling the souls out and then buffing them up, but I completely disagree with your methods. When you make HUGE synergy changes... do them one-at-a-time so that you can truly judge the impact.

[Sebb]

Voodoo warriors were doing 4500 - 4800 raid buffed dps depending on rng (one 4926 parse with max PA). Averaging ~4600-4700. Our bottom end was about the top end of rogue BS builds.

It was a bit too high, sorry. I'm confident that Atrius will improve our dps if it is currently too low. And you can be sure that we'll be testing it.

Our BM was about equal to rogues and mages, if that gives you an idea of how high 51 champ was.

Balance is one thing we can all be happy about, but killing rotations not so much.


pray tell, how is it that you were getting so high compared to what others have tested?

[XxShunsuixX]

Voodoo warriors in BIS HK gear were doing 4500 - 4800 raid buffed dps depending on rng (one 4926 parse with max PA). Averaging ~4600-4700. Our bottom end was about the top end of rogue BS builds.

It was a bit too high, sorry. I'm confident that Atrius will improve our dps if it is currently too low. And you can be sure that we'll be testing it.

Our BM was about equal to rogues and mages, if that gives you an idea of how high 51 champ was.

Link the parses Rizaz.. I find it very hard that the knowledge of our guild and how much time we spent on pts testing specs and aprsing that you guys somehow found a rotation that was parsing 300-600 higher than our warriors? please link parse with a breakdown of abilities.

[Hunt55511]

Balance is one thing we can all be happy about, but killing rotations not so much.


pray tell, how is it that you were getting so high compared to what others have tested?

My guess: ID gear. :|

[Sebb]

My guess: ID gear. :|

Still trying to figure out how Value had ET procs of 250 in HK gear.

Edit: yea sure bring maza