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DW 51RB destroyed too, but 44/22 paragon/champion now top ST dps spec and have ST dps similar 40/26 champ/BM ;)Originally Posted by Sekhmet The Fierce
P.S. Cruel but necessary changes, imho there was no other way to make gcd finishers usable
DW 51RB destroyed too, but 44/22 paragon/champion now top ST dps spec and have ST dps similar 40/26 champ/BM ;)
P.S. Cruel but necessary changes, imho there was no other way to make gcd finishers usable
Last edited by Ekso; 03-21-2012 at 02:56 AM.
GSB/DD/DH/RoS/RotP/HK conqueror, ultimate dungeon hero
I would have rather they made all finishers oGCD and lowered their damage to balance than force us to use on-GCD finishers.
Maza the Mage <Damaged PvPness>
Not playing a warrior anymore because it's boring.
11/11 HK | 4/4 ROTP | 0/8 ID
Without this changes warriors have highest ST dps on PTS, top mage with 120k attuments and full relic gear have only 3-3.1k ST dps on dummy, warriors without this changes have 3.4k+ ;) with AoE dps build - 51Champ/15 RB
GSB/DD/DH/RoS/RotP/HK conqueror, ultimate dungeon hero
The REAL problem is the GCD itself as finishers go
Playing with GCD finishers is VERY clunky and more so with a melee class like a warrior. The problem is magnified in PvP when every second is critical to killing or dying. Unlike the other three classes, we don't have the LUXURY of RANGE NOR STEALTH !
That's a problem Atrius has NOT found an answer to at all. In fact he's gone the complete opposite direction..creating more problems than answers as far as PvP goes.
As others have pointed out, it's also destroying the synergy between trees. You can't use many Paragon abilities with 2H or even 1H/shield. Now you can't even use some Champion abilities with Riftblade. What the heck is Trion doing ? They promised there'd be synergy between the trees..sure it works well for ANY other class. EXCEPT WARRIORS. And they're going in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION by making the trees less..and less..and LESS synergized over time with the Warrior classes.
Last edited by Fiala; 03-21-2012 at 03:17 AM.
But that same Mage parses just as high as a Warrior Raid buffed. If i remember that parse correct even 70dps more....
It wasn't nesessary to do away with oGCD finishers in rotatoins altogether, in the process killing 3 viable and fun specs and leaving PvP essentially without a ranged finisher. If our DPS needed a neft (questionable at best), it could have been accomplished by lowering Icy Burst's damage by x amount per tick. Same could have been done in order to make GCD finishers more desirable, or they could have been tweaked upward individually.
This was nothing but a lazy way out, without much consideration for the consequences... well now, there's a surprise.
That is yet to be seen. All that need be done is making Icy Assault work in a similar fashion as RW. Where it has a damage calc for DW and 2h.
The change to Destroyer's only triggering of Physical attacks it not needed. The only thing it does is screw with synergy.
Icy being changed to onGCD fixes the issues of offGCD abilities be a little over powered but removes a play style that people like.
I'm guessing you have a dmg per energy calculation, that's why offGCD finishers cost more. You also know what dps you want warriors doing. Play with those two things so you can make them even. Maybe increase the cost of offGCD finishers or reduce the dmg they do so things balance out.
51 champ won't go down without a fight.
We need a deathblow dummy.
Icy burst was a liability, as fun and as smooth as that spec was.
In the future, devs should attempt to design all top specs to run as smoothly as the 51 champ did running icy bursts.
If they would take all the finishers OGCD and nerf their power instead of boosting their power insanely to justify the delay to activate it compared to OGCD finishers, we'd honestly be having more fun playing all the rotations.
I agree 100% that specs that use GCD finishers are boring as hell compared to those that don't. Paragon's friggin killing me right now. I don't care if reaping harvest hits for 5500.
Last edited by PFalcon; 03-21-2012 at 04:00 AM.
Also, is there any chance we can get paired strike to be a 20m ability instead of melee range and path of the wind to be straight 1 second GCD ability instead of 4s?
Paragon needs a little attention in the ranged department. No need to make it remotely competitive with ranged classes, but what little warrior ranged capability we had in 1.7 got hit pretty hard with these recent changes.
Since subbing riftblade is to be severely discouraged these days, paragon runs clunky as hell from ranged without spears and OGCDs.
Last edited by PFalcon; 03-21-2012 at 04:07 AM.
The current state of warrior souls on the PTS right now makes me cry. Anywho, back to my mage I go, I guess.
Maza the Mage <Damaged PvPness>
Not playing a warrior anymore because it's boring.
11/11 HK | 4/4 ROTP | 0/8 ID
Are the changes up yet?
Dunno, but literally every build requires the use of on-GCD finishers now, which kills any joy left in warrior DPS for me.
Last edited by Hunt55511; 03-21-2012 at 04:27 AM.
Maza the Mage <Damaged PvPness>
Not playing a warrior anymore because it's boring.
11/11 HK | 4/4 ROTP | 0/8 ID
Nope changes still aren't present on PTS
GSB/DD/DH/RoS/RotP/HK conqueror, ultimate dungeon hero
If this was a "solution" to make warriors parse less without raidbuffs to make casters on par outside raid you probably have succeded, but if these changes stick it will most likely be mages/rogues>warriors in raids.
And to make rotations hard now we are going to have to split our macros instead of trying to tweak it even further. Its a good thing there's still 3 more weeks of possible changes. For a while I was superhappy with all the possible situational speccs, but now we will end up having 2 probs (1 DW / 1 2h) IF we don't see more changes wich we hopefully will.
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