AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Hunt55511]

Its looking like ill be shelving my warrior come 1.8 it seems our class is in shambles in both pve and pvp with no clear direction.

Should've jumped the bandwagon long ago when I made Maza my "main"!

While I appreciate what Atrius is trying to do, I still find that all of the DPS souls are just...Dull. Boring. The changes don't seem to be fixing that (Plus..Wtf, BM), in fact it seems like the one unique thing we did have about our DPS is going away. Tis a shame, really.

Also...Bets:
Anyone willing to bet on how close to patching to live they're going to throw changes onto the PTS this time? My bet is 27 hours.

[Pines]

Three weeks to go, hope it solidifies soon.

[GunnyWood]

Anyone else notice that people seem to only see a couple abilities getting nerfed and dont see anything else he said? Like how all the builds will be buffed once they are all balanced...

[Hunt55511]

Anyone else notice that people seem to only see a couple abilities getting nerfed and dont see anything else he said? Like how all the builds will be buffed once they are all balanced...

Doesn't make up for the lack of any real, challenging rotation which leads to a boring experience. Fiery Burst CD? Just completely took out any rotation an RB-heavy build would have. Making IB into Assault and on-GCD? Makes for a clunky rotation that is dull, at best. I only DPS on my warrior now when I absolutely have to -- DPSing on my mage is much more interesting. I don't care if my warrior is competitive DPS-wise...I want an engaging rotation that flows smoothly -- on-GCD finishers directly oppose that. On-GCD finishers are clunky at best, and not worthwhile at worst.

Atrius -- if you can, later can you look into making our DPS rotations more engaging? Spamming 1, with a few different abilities used as-needed makes for extremely boring gameplay. Oh, and look into useless tanking souls too!

[AlienFromBeyond]

Champion

• Destroyer's Bearing now only triggers it's Attack Point off Physical attacks.

Riftblade

• Fiery Burst now has an 8 second cooldown.
• Icy Burst has become Icy Assault. It is now a Finisher that uses Weapon Damage but is not off the Global Cooldown.

• Also, I am currently working on the Fierce Strike issue.

Are you trying to destroy cross-soul synergy even further?

[Hunt55511]

Are you trying to destroy cross-soul synergy even further?

Thou shalt not use the soul system for hybrids!

[Dire]

Please leave us some rotations with oGCD finishers. Nerf the damage if you have to, or bring GCD finishers in line with them but don't break them completely - like the poster above said, rotations based around GCD finishers are slow and clunky, boring and generally un-fun. Combine that with the obligatory use of the purple cat for optimum DPS ... and well, that was exactly the reason I had stopped playing this game for half a year in the first place.

[MiO]

Any thought to lowering the cooldown on Backhanded Blow to six, or at least seven, seconds to allow it to better fit into skill usage rotations?

Its currently just .5 seconds beyond being used as often as possible in a champion/beastmaster spec.

[Hunt55511]

Please leave us some rotations with oGCD finishers. Nerf the damage if you have to, or bring GCD finishers in line with them but don't break them completely - like the poster above said, rotations based around GCD finishers are slow and clunky, boring and generally un-fun. Combine that with the obligatory use of the purple cat for optimum DPS ... and well, that was exactly the reason I had stopped playing this game for half a year in the first place.

I absolutely dread being forced to use on-GCD finishers in 1.8. It'll probably make me stop playing my warrior entirely outside of tanking, which I'll only do grudgingly.

[Ferboten]

I enjoy watching the reactions to every post Atrius makes.

Omg we love you for paying attention and giving us our well deserved buffs!

...

Omg this change nerfs our dps by 10, I'm rerolling!

[Boysenberry]

Please leave us some rotations with oGCD finishers. Nerf the damage if you have to, or bring GCD finishers in line with them but don't break them completely - like the poster above said, rotations based around GCD finishers are slow and clunky, boring and generally un-fun. Combine that with the obligatory use of the purple cat for optimum DPS ... and well, that was exactly the reason I had stopped playing this game for half a year in the first place.

This! I was LOVING 51Champ/15RB. Disruptive, destroyers and OGCD finishers made this build very fun to play. Destroying the synergy between these two trees can't be the answer.

Seriously, try playing 43RB after 51Champ. It's a snoozefest.

[Kiika]

Are you trying to destroy cross-soul synergy even further?

Pretty much my reaction when i read the changes soul synergy is already completely destroyed with our best build on live seems more is to come. Also no off-gcd to use in pvp....*facepalm*

[Sekhmet The Fierce]

Hello everyone, I just finished another round of changes. I am hoping this change gets things back on track to narrowing the equality of the DPS souls so I can look at some across the board DPS buffs because I think right now that my target is a tad low. To explain what I mean, there are currently a couple of builds that are coming out ahead of the others, so once again I am pulling those back in hopes of doing an across the board push upwards without making those particular builds a problem. So the changes you should see very soon are listed below.

Champion

• Destroyer's Bearing now only triggers it's Attack Point off Physical attacks.

Riftblade

• Fiery Burst now has an 8 second cooldown.
• Icy Burst has become Icy Assault. It is now a Finisher that uses Weapon Damage but is not off the Global Cooldown.

• Also, I am currently working on the Fierce Strike issue.

Please keep posting feedback, even if it's the fact that you feel something does too little or too much damage. The goal is still to get the Warriors comparable in DPS. The parses I have been getting that show individual performance with ability break outs, as well as the raid parses showing DPS from different Callings in the same fight have been incredibly useful to me in trying to achieve this, please keep them coming.

Well, there goes the 51CH/15RB build and the 44Para build might as well go full 22 Champ since the 2 point RB finisher is now on the GCD. My first comment is that this will nerf various builds due to GCD finishers not being upto par with oGCD ones. The change, as commented on, has reduced the synergy of deep Champion with other souls.

As for the CD on Fiery Burst, this still won't make a difference to rotations, since the duration is 10 seconds. To maximise every tick, you wouldn't want this macro'd anyway. However, target switching and placing multiple fiery bursts on a target can't happen any more (though kinda difficult to pull off effectively).

Looks like I'll be parsing again sometime to see how this plays out.

[Dire]

I was LOVING 51Champ/15RB. Disruptive, destroyers and OGCD finishers made this build very fun to play. Destroying the synergy between these two trees can't be the answer.

It was the only 2h spec I could live with.

In all probability the Icy Burst change also means that 51RB/15Para will be done for (as a competitive spec, that is) - with its go-to finisher based on weapon damage it will most likely be behind its 2h counterpart by a sizable margin.

[MiO]

My first comment is that this will nerf various builds due to GCD finishers not being upto par with oGCD ones.

Could always make GCD finishers hit for a thousand more. 6k RH vs 4k RW 3k IB on pts.