Crit vs Strength/AP, I'm at a loss...

[shep123]

Thanks soulsurfing, that's what I always thought. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places to solve this problem then. Maybe my macros suck or my ability to play this game sucks... I tend to separate my abilities and only use 1 main builder macro and 1 finisher.

Any suggestions on what else I might evaluate? I don't want to lose to 51rb's ever : (

[Xney]

Which 38/28 spec?

[Soulsurfing]

yeah can you clarify your build, are you running 38vk/28 rb and getting beat by 51rb/xx ?

[shep123]

I meant 38RB/28CH. Maybe I've misunderstood that all along... Are most people referring to 38VK/28RB? I always thought that was more of a niche build vs. casters.

[Repster]

Lemme just pull up my relevent stats here.

Plate.
Missing shoulders and Ammy for full p8.
Rogue rings as they are vastly superior to warrior rings.
Full 33 valor essence core.
p8 sword.
Crafted Valorous Shield of the Stalwart.
Crafted Valorous enchanted shadethorn bow.

1260 Valor (50.4%)
75 vengence
717 Atk power
768 crit. (29.12%)
509 endurence.
79 hit.
451 dodge (10.69%)
571 parry (9.24%)
584 bock (28.5%)

10739 (62.29%)

Compare your numbers. This is what you should expect facing a S&B spec from someone that wants survivability.

If I wanted more damage output, I'd... be ****ed since I don't actually have a good 2hander, but if I did, I'd only be losing 43 valor.

It's not your crit. It's not your AP. It's your valor. A nearly straight 300 diffrence will do that. I'm actually missing 25 from the new shoulder rune since I don't like grinding WFs or else I'll get tired of them, wich would be bad.

[Soulsurfing]

I meant 38RB/28CH. Maybe I've misunderstood that all along... Are most people referring to 38VK/28RB? I always thought that was more of a niche build vs. casters.

if you're pvping in 38rb/28ch that is extremely squishy and won't be effective without a pocket healer..

38/28 usually refers to void knight/rb and is one of our top specs right now that gives you a chance at fighing almost everyone out there but high level healers.

there's also ragestorm and lameboi build. all sword and board+dps builds. most of the effective pvp builds now use sword and board. whenever you're fighting something that doesn't melee you back, you can loadequip to 2h.

[ahchew]

imo...
your gear is fine... if you have heals.

your play style is flawed with only 2 macros

are you silencing other warriors?
is that in your spam macro?
fork in your spam macro?


even though your 2hnd spec you should be swapping to s+b anytime a (geared) phys damage is on you.
so you can proc your arkyons mirrior. dont have it? get it
if you want your warrior to be the best, hes going to have to pve to pvp.

38/28 too squishy and nurfed

32/22/12 buffed in 1.6


again id run that with heals

38vk +flavor of choice with out heals

[shep123]

@Repster - that is a SCARY amount of valor. I don't think I'm ready to give up that many lesser slots for lessers with valor but crap stats everywhere else. I'll see if I can scrounge around for one and then level notoriety for the runes I don't have yet...

@soulsurfer - Thanks for clarifying. I haven't used ragestorm or lameboi's build since late in 1.4 when I was a low pRank and was forced to S&B. Maybe I'll revisit my roots.

@ahchew - I only listed my main macros. I still macro my fork to windspear on a separate key (I like the control of choosing when to cast it in a fight). I silence EVERYTHING. Fork is not in my main macro. Everything else is on a separate key and I've always wondered if this causes me to lose efficiency in a fight, but my assumption is that more control over my finishers and timed CC abilities = win. I hate stuffing everything on one key.

I have the mirror, though it will not swap in while in combat. If I can anticipate the fight, I'll switch to it when I switch to my S&B loadout.

I'm assuming 32/22/12 is rb/ch/pal (the build that is floating around the front page since 1.6. I'm familiar with this build, but feel like I'm missing something... The whole goal is to just include SS in your builder or burst macro right? The mitigation, +block/armor and ToL are the only other benefits? Is their some other mechanic I'm overlooking?

[Xney]

38rb/28ch is slightly higher damage than 29 or 32rb/22ch/12pal but significantly less durable. IMO it's not worth it these days - I prefer the rb/ch/pal or ragestorm build for dps.

If you have 38vk/28rb or ragestorm you can also purge 51rb's buffs which makes them do a lot less damage.

Sensible warrior dps is all about outlasting your opponent. We don't have the burst or damage to do enough to kill things before they kill us unless you take a long approach.

I laugh at 99% of 51RB players out there, and the 1% who are dangerous are only dangerous because they have a healbot following them around.

p.s. 51RB depends 100% on planar blade to have energy for the most part. Purge that buff and they do half as much, if that.