Warrior PvP Balance: Inflexible but not as broken people make it out to be

[Lunacresia]

I'm testing aggressive block atm, I'm not too sure if I am missing an underlying mechanic behind it but as of now:

-Yes, it hits for a pathetic amount of damage bur raises base block by 10%. Against any other melee class this leads to more retaliation (which hits hard as hell) and more damage. Puzzlebox is right on it not doing much vs. a mage, who has no physical attacks to block with.

-In a 1v1 scenario vs. a mage, I can see omitting aggressive block and not wasting a GCD every 15 seconds on a minimal damage attack, but in most WFs you are taking damage from multiple sources and MMs, which you can block, since much of their damage is physical and weapon damage. If you really wanted to optimize vs just a mage, sure you could take it out or use it manually.

In the chaos of a WF, when a MM or rogue can pop out at any time and hit you with blockable damage, I don't see anything wrong with a GCD being sacced every 15s for 10% extra block at all times.

[Xney]

gee, 51RB, nobody has tried this before! My eyes have been opened!

51RBs are awesome. They just explode. I'm amazed you recommend this at R4.

"valor level" doesn't mean much - most of us who are R8 run less valor for more damage, because we don't run squishy builds.

p.s. So your build is RB, and then you say how we're not inflexible. lol.

[Lunacresia]

From a Chloro perspective, you only need to cleanse right before you heal and hope it doesn't reapply between GCD's. Do this for Flourish, Bloom, Essence Surge.

And to be honest, I'm so used to Lingering Wounds being uncleansable that it's not muscle memory yet for me to cleanse it.

Tbh, post 1.5 it's better to let MM take care of the healing debuffs. It's much easier for them to apply it.

[VeroMaestro]

You have alot of good tips in there and props to you for writing a good well thought out positive post. I will say this about your macro's, always ask yourself if it's worth it to macro skills. I don't macro any finishers together, and aggressive block and spears are always separate. Then you can use them at the optimal times. Heck on my mage i'm done to like 1 macro if that anymore.

[Lunacresia]

gee, 51RB, nobody has tried this before! My eyes have been opened!

51RBs are awesome. They just explode. I'm amazed you recommend this at R4.

"valor level" doesn't mean much - most of us who are R8 run less valor for more damage, because we don't run squishy builds.

p.s. So your build is RB, and then you say how we're not inflexible. lol.

Dude you totally misread everything. I said warriors ARE inflexible, but I also stated if you can get past that, suck it up and run RB, you can be good.

[Lunacresia]

You have alot of good tips in there and props to you for writing a good well thought out positive post. I will say this about your macro's, always ask yourself if it's worth it to macro skills. I don't macro any finishers together, and aggressive block and spears are always separate. Then you can use them at the optimal times. Heck on my mage i'm done to like 1 macro if that anymore.

to me I'm left handed playing with the mouse on the left hand side of my keyboard. I don't have the luxury of using a Razor Naga right handed mouse with 100 buttons on it.

I have to optimize with what little keyspace that I have, as my number pad is used for moving and the majority of my important keys are satellite keys around that area.

Macros make things much easier for me, who is a handicapped gamer due to my strange orientation.

While I may not be able to use as many keys as other players comfortably, I do use some macros out of pure ease of use to me.

But puzzle does have a valid point and since this post is about pure optimization for warrior PvP, you would want to manually use as many situational abilities (like aggressive block) as possible.

[Puzzlebox]

You have alot of good tips in there and props to you for writing a good well thought out positive post. I will say this about your macro's, always ask yourself if it's worth it to macro skills. I don't macro any finishers together, and aggressive block and spears are always separate. Then you can use them at the optimal times. Heck on my mage i'm done to like 1 macro if that anymore.

This is what I was getting at. Take things out of your macros. Also, if it does more damage (which I suspect it will), /loadequip 2H weaponswitch a macro with Sweeping Strikes. Doesn't invoke GCD's or anything. Can immediately swap back seamlessly.

And for that matter, after testing on a dummy and confirming that 2H does more damage overall, make a seperate AP builder macro with 2H for you to spam that DOESN'T have aggressive block.

It's stupid to punch a blue-bar in the face with SnB. Especially with junk like Aggressive Block thrown in.

Only reason why I'm not more definitive about it and saying to test it first is because I'm not sure if the extra weapon DPS for +weapon skills like Rift Strike, Searing, Sweeping, Frost, Thunder is worth the tradeoff of the 10% Small Arms Spec bonus. And I'm not in a position to test it myself.

[Rottweiler-STi]

Dude you totally misread everything. I said warriors ARE inflexible, but I also stated if you can get past that, suck it up and run RB, you can be good.

problem is not that you can be good or not it's that other classes do it better, you said you can survive 4v1 vs undergeared team, that's cool but a rogue or mage wouldnt just survive vs 4 lower geared, they would kill the other 4 before needing any consumables.

warrior can tear it up with a healer too, but watch a r8 mage or MM with a healer, more burst, more kills, less baby sitting.

[Sebb]

problem is not that you can be good or not it's that other classes do it better, you said you can survive 4v1 vs undergeared team, that's cool but a rogue or mage wouldnt just survive vs 4 lower geared, they would kill the other 4 before needing any consumables.

warrior can tear it up with a healer too, but watch a r8 mage or MM with a healer, more burst, more kills, less baby sitting.

Pretty much that... When my cleric healer was making the final push for R8, I told him he'd be far better off queuing with a rogue than me. He was as polite as possible in taking me up on my offer.

[Kajib]

"THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING DEVSTATED IN PVP DO NOT EVEN HAVE 1k VALOR, WHICH IS THE BARE MINIMUM REQUIRED TO PLAY AN EFFECTIVE WARRIOR"

Most warriors are devastated because of the lack of dps and survivability.

Valor is not an issue at all.

"but not as broken people make it out to be"

its like saying

Dear Atrius,

.... warriors are fine at 1242 valor so please don't boost them that much.

[Auden]

Shocker, a sword and board spec does ok.

Even with 51 rb, our damage is still crap. AND w/o any heal debuff good luck not having your damage outhealed by hots.



Sad part is, I do not do that much more damage with the r8 2hander than I do with some pve shield/sword.

Pvp is terrible from where I am coming from.

[Xney]

You give up a lot to get 51RB, I think you're better off mixing in champ or even vk. 29 or 32RB is about as high as you want to go. The remaining 20ish points don't buy you much.

[Sebb]

You give up a lot to get 51RB, I think you're better off mixing in champ or even vk. 29 or 32RB is about as high as you want to go. The remaining 20ish points don't buy you much.

I agree a lot with this. My Personal PVP spec is 32RB/12VK/22CH specifically for the purge. I've been debating about switching to PL for the stun and sweeping strikes.

[Repster]

AEhgagdgjadghf

SHIELD THROW DOES NO DAMAGE!

Sorry. Just... had to. The tooltip is a lying piece of ****. Click/hit/macro shield throw in pvp? Congratulations you wasted 1.5 seconds.

I've mentioned this to warriors in game and they just ignore me... just pay no attention the the warrior with the Rank 8 sword, and rank 6 amulet and plate shoulders. Has to be a scrub. Totally has no been tanking in PvP since February 25th... Of course he has no idea what a tank skill does.

Also, the attack point is not really worth it most of the time. But this is mostly to you "fixed macros" in you other post that put it before anything else.

[Puzzlebox]

AEhgagdgjadghf

SHIELD THROW DOES NO DAMAGE!

Sorry. Just... had to. The tooltip is a lying piece of ****. Click/hit/macro shield throw in pvp? Congratulations you wasted 1.5 seconds.

I've mentioned this to warriors in game and they just ignore me... just pay no attention the the warrior with the Rank 8 sword, and rank 6 amulet and plate shoulders. Has to be a scrub. Totally has no been tanking in PvP since February 25th... Of course he has no idea what a tank skill does.

Also, the attack point is not really worth it most of the time. But this is mostly to you "fixed macros" in you other post that put it before anything else.

It's off gcd. Unless they changed that in 1.6