Feedback for PVP Physical DPS issues and Power Starvation concerns

[paper]

Got done on the PTS:

7rb w/ no tablet. 2fb per sli. ~2246 dps with a 38% crit rate on rw.

2rb w/ tablet. 2fb per sli. ~2339 dps with a 40% crit rate on rw. Think my frenzied strike crit rate was higher as well.

Best guess there is a ~50 dps difference between the two assuming an equal crit rate. Both setups were energy stable, had ferver and voj was used on cooldown. 6min parses.

[herlpderp]

Got done on the PTS:

7rb w/ no tablet. 2fb per sli. ~2246 dps with a 38% crit rate on rw.

2rb w/ tablet. 2fb per sli. ~2339 dps with a 40% crit rate on rw. Think my frenzied strike crit rate was higher as well.

Best guess there is a ~50 dps difference between the two assuming an equal crit rate. Both setups were energy stable, had ferver and voj was used on cooldown. 6min parses.

Did you use FS on every time? if so thats good news for 2rb... however should prolly test 3fb per sli w/7rb.

[paper]

Did you use FS on every time? if so thats good news for 2rb... however should prolly test 3fb per sli w/7rb.

2 fs per sli. I need to get a bard on the pts willing to help out for ~an hour or so so I am able to test 3fb and to try to get more consistent crit rates between attempts.

[Soulsurfing]

660 crit seems really low for P7. I'm also P7, dual wielding with a Tanking weapon and at like 780. This is with 3 Valor Essences (one blue), but I have the rogue rings. I don't have any power issues with 51rb/15paragon or 29/25/12.

i JUST hit rank 7... got boots belt but no gloves yet, favor still too low

if you dont mind i'd like to find out what equip you're using because my crit seems unusually low.. running out of power in a long fight is one of my biggest problems atm

[Nam19771]

i JUST hit rank 7... got boots belt but no gloves yet, favor still too low

if you dont mind i'd like to find out what equip you're using because my crit seems unusually low.. running out of power in a long fight is one of my biggest problems atm

I'm rank 6, 850 crit with s&b. Got one rogue ring and rogue shoulders, and essences and runes oriented toward dex/crit.
My AP is pretty low though, like 550, but afaik that thing is just useless anyway.

[Soulsurfing]

we had these warrior stat changes comin down so i bought warrior rings/equip.. not rogue stuff.

it will be a while before i can go back and buy rogue rings etc

[Drude]

Sorry to sound like an R8 newb but what are these tablets? Elder tablets?

[Drude]

I'm rank 6, 850 crit with s&b. Got one rogue ring and rogue shoulders, and essences and runes oriented toward dex/crit.
My AP is pretty low though, like 550, but afaik that thing is just useless anyway.

I don't know what you are equipping but I am full R8 warrior gear with accessories and am only 656 crit with the R8 2H.

[NJoyTheSilence]

Riftblade attacks need cost reduction, even with 6 rb energy bug I go starved with planar in pvp... using blade of elemental affinity is impossible. RB needs this energy reduction, bad.

[Drummatiok]

Hey Atrius,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3997HZuWjk

[Drude]

Hey Atrius,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3997HZuWjk

Plate armor means nothing in this game. Leather armor can tank.

[Zaiana]

Personally, I'd rather have a tablet more as a DPS booster, not energy regen band-aid. Extra strength and/or crit, so something to add an extra edge in raids. Energy regen shouldn't be a problem unless you are getting debuffed or stringing together a stupid amount of heavy cost abilities back to back. A normal rotation should not starve you, but it instead is used to put a limiter on how much burst potential you can maintain before you starve.

What is a "normal" rotation exactly for a warrior? Stop using raid dps specs outside of a raid tbh. You talk about burst potential, well that's not how our class works. If every tree had a 50 energy 1 min CD nuke or something like that it'd be a different story, that's not how it works though.

There's plenty of easy to manage (energy wise) builds for anything outside of a raid, if you wanna raid, you bring consumables.

MMOs have always worked this way, what's the problem exactly?

I dont understand your point. No other class needs tablets. Why should warriors?

Staying on topic - our only viable PVP soul will now be energy starved - even with planar blade. Please lower the cost of Riftblade attacks accordingly

What is this, the let's make every class the same thread? Sick of people whining about how other classes have it easy/hard when the imbalances are relatively tiny. You can do very competitive DPS in a raid without a tablet if you so choose, personally still running 2rb (2hand SLI) without tablets on non-akylios fights. Using the rank 8 weapon and a mixture of T1/T2 raid plaque and R8 gear I can still break 3k on Sicaron without problems.

Secondly, complete rubbish as long as you have half decent crit. If you want to be even more pro, use on GCD finishers if you start dipping too low or get some dom **** thrown on you.

Have you played in wfs lately - the first thing that happens is that your buffs are purged and your energy is drained. Now what do you do?

Wow... seriously? We're practically the only class that doesn't drop like a tonne of bricks when we do get purged, learn to deal with it and reapply like every other class did long ago.

just thought I'd do a little maths to see how the current changes will affect our aoe

assume, we use a simplified rotation of mightyblow*3 and an earth burst as a finisher - that is a total of 75+15=90 energy

with a 50% crit rating, over time, half the attacks are reduced by 75% which means an average reduction of 37.5%

This means, on average, our simplified rotation costs 56.25 power



With the changes and keeping 1 point in surging energy, this will now cost 22*2+15=81 which will be reduced by 12.5% on average

Which means the new cost is: 70.87 power (SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER!)



with the changes and putting 2 points in surging energy, this will be reduced by 25%

which means the new cost with 2pt SE is: 60.87 power (STILL HIGHER!!)


so overall these changes do not go far enough to satisfy our energy savings for AOE!!

Fervor/living energy will not affect these calculations - just the final power cost will be reduced by the same %. We will also lose dps from the other trees by having to put 2 points into surging energy

...Well earth burst is on a cooldown for one thing. Secondly, any viable existing DPS spec that goes deep enough into riftblade to get earthburst has planar blade as far as I am aware (Which would solve your problem), talking about energy concerns in a magical made up build is dumb. Also where's grim satisfaction?

Oh no wait, you're trying to use two dps souls whilst ignoring the two main forms of energy regen in them... nice work. WARRIORS ARE BROKEN LULZ

This is misinformation... you do get starved with planar blade. Not everyone has rank 8. Not everyone bought rogue weapons and rings, after anticipating we will need to buy warrior gear....

(pvp) I'm rank 7 and have like 660 crit. Maybe it could be a little higher but it's never going to be as high as in PVE due to the need for valor. Heck even in a 32rb/22champ/xx paladin build with 3/3 in Grim Satisfaction, I *still* find myself starved in PVP.

If they lowered the cost of RB builders, and added some small partial power return to Blade of Elemental affinity that would be awesome. Or like someone suggested, allow two blade spells to be up at a time with 51 in RB.

(pve) No other class requires tablets to perform, and neither should warriors. If anything, Tablets should be a small DPS buff which is not required.

BTW 660 crit is actually lower then a full set of warrior plate at rank 7, not sure what you're doing wrong, maybe your core sucks or something.

I understand why you didn't invest in rogue rings and neck, but don't expect to be effective if you're gearing yourself for stats that don't even work the way you think they will yet. You seem to be asking to be compensated because you've assumed stat changes are coming soon? An important thing I've learned in my experience on MMOs is always gear for the present unless offical updates with official release times state you should do otherwise.

Also, I don't know whether all you terribad PVPers have considered this, but you do realise how rediculous Blade of Elemental Affinity would be if you could PVP with it and not starve.... And two blade spells at once? Lol, that would be completely and utterly overpowered

[Danktankz]

Since you obviously havent been keeping up with the thread, you might have passed over my suggestion...merge elemental affinity with planar blade and reduce the values. Directed towards ziana btw, wasnt about to quote that massive amount of garbage that suggested absolutely nothing. Since youve obviously have all the answers please by all means give us your all mighty godlike suggestion. To act like there isnt an energy problem is outrageous...not everyone is rank 7 for one and for two the energy problem predominately revolves around pve but also effects alot of pvpers with lower standings in gear. Next time you post atleast contribute instead of trying to call out every single person here making suggestions. A suggestion is better than a flame like you just posted and if you think people will read all of that your sadly mistaken lul.

[Booface]

What is a "normal" rotation exactly for a warrior? Stop using raid dps specs outside of a raid tbh. You talk about burst potential, well that's not how our class works.

I read this and stopped and realized you were trolling. The fact that you put Stop using Raid DPS spec outside of a Raid, which is more about sustained energy and tablets, followed up by saying Warriors dont use Burst Potential which is exactly what solo PvE and PvP is about along with our whole Rift Blade tree having skills called 'BURSTS' pretty much nulls anything you say in the future, please notify me to ignore you sooner.

[Undrsiege]

Since you obviously havent been keeping up with the thread, you might have passed over my suggestion...merge elemental affinity with planar blade and reduce the values. Directed towards ziana btw, wasnt about to quote that massive amount of garbage that suggested absolutely nothing. Since youve obviously have all the answers please by all means give us your all mighty godlike suggestion. To act like there isnt an energy problem is outrageous...not everyone is rank 7 for one and for two the energy problem predominately revolves around pve but also effects alot of pvpers with lower standings in gear. Next time you post atleast contribute instead of trying to call out every single person here making suggestions. A suggestion is better than a flame like you just posted and if you think people will read all of that your sadly mistaken lul.

So merge and then reduce regen?

What you suggested has nothing to do with IMPROVING power regen.

And even if you meant reduce the heal portion of the blade it STILL does not help regen..