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Correct. 0pt Paladin is needed for Pacifying Strike, since you can't use Binding of Atrophy over Binding of Death, and for Aggressive Block for the +10% block chance.Originally Posted by Sebb
Correct. 0pt Paladin is needed for Pacifying Strike, since you can't use Binding of Atrophy over Binding of Death, and for Aggressive Block for the +10% block chance.
Last edited by Eaux; 11-11-2011 at 10:34 PM.
is pacifying strike better then ravaging/leaders mark? seeing as most rogues dont use their armor thing bc it "lowers" their dps?
whats the rv/wl/vk spec makeup that is comparable to 38/12/16, rv/pal/wl (i think thats the one)
also, for 38/28, why arent you taking crest mastery? the 3% magical dmg reduction isnt worth it?
It's not better. They both have their uses. Use both Pacifying and Ravaging/Leaders.
Personal Choice. I went with dps talents like Entropic Embrace and Planar Attunement. Seems worth more than 3%(I thought they said they were lowering it to 2%?) magic damage reducation when the spec is already at 55% reduction (60% with tenacity).
Last edited by Eaux; 11-11-2011 at 11:49 PM.
wouldnt that 2% still help? but then again, 10% (even 6, 2/5, or 4% idk), would add more to Soul sickness, for little bigger self heals/dot dmg.
i like the 38/22 build, but is it really better then a rv/paly/wl build, with CtE, hk crystal, and the other goodies (going 18wl vs 16), like cutting, that u would pass up?
it seems like the 22vk build doesnt give much more mitigation the WL, since you can get 5% armor, 5% dodge,block, or parry (2 of those maybe), and inc calls. idk how its all mashed together, additive or multiplicative, but, 22VK doesnt seem strong anymore. i would only have a spec with VK if i need purge, to be honest. aoe threat is no prob without surge atm, its a joke
I still think 44 Reaver is looking pretty good with the Shroud of Entropy cooldown.
The spreadsheet is a mitigation spreadsheet. That does not mean you cannot defer off any of the listed specs, dropping some mitigation to pick up some utility. I just go with the highest possible mitigation, in most circumstances. The only reason I didn't with 38RV/VK is because it is already very high in Magic damage reduction and because if they did change it to 2% max (for 1/1.5/2%) for the 3pts, I don't think it's worth the points considering the spec already has 55-60% magic damage reduction.
The final reason I didn't add Crest Mastery is because I do not know if it is 2% or 3%. It lists as 3%, but their patch notes said it was decreased to 2%. I haven't tested it. Therefore, the increase in Death/DoT damage was what I went with for the spec. I will change it to have Crest Mastery on the basis that it is still 3%. This brings the 38RV specs to 58% self-buffed before Resistance and 63% with tenacity before Resisance.
The 44RV spec would lose use 3 points in Devourer, as far as mitigation goes, and lose some utility in the VK tree. You would gain half-useful in the RV tree with 44pts, exceptions being Grisly Works, Imp MotA, Shadow of Dread, Temepered Will and the likes depending on preference.
makes sense
in terms of comparing 38rv/28vk (which i meant for previous posts), to a 38rv, 18wl, 10pal spec, is it that much better? i see previously you said 38/28 is max mitigation with Tenacity, but why wouldnt other specs benefit from it as well? for 1/2% mitigation, i really wouldnt mind passing that up for the other utility that i personally like to have.
The 38RV/WL/PL spec already has Tenacity (in the form of CtE) built into its calculation, therefore its mitigation doesn't technically benefit from Tenacity because it technically has tenacity all the time. Therefore, the 38RV/28VK spec benefits from Tenacity, granting it more mitigation than the latter spec.
A sad spec is 51PL which only hits 77% Passive mitigation WITH tenacity, in the given stat setup in the HK-PTS tab.
Last edited by Eaux; 11-12-2011 at 10:59 PM.
i thought they sorta reworked Calls where they dont overlap bard/archon stuff? Tenacity is 5%, but dont you get more from using CtE? 2% dodge from BA, 2% more from 2hkpeice, and 2% more or something from 4p?, plus the increased calls?
Tenacity and CtE are still shared. You don't get +5% from one and another +5% from the other. You only get one +5%. The +5% from Tenacity/CtE and the +6% from the self-buff from CtE are both accounted for. The 38RV/WL/PL already has higher average physical damage mitigation than the 38RV/28VK, but lower Passive Physical Damage Mitigation. The +2% dodge from WL Synergy comes out to ~.21% more average physical damage mitigation.
This is the comparison in my HK-PTS spreadsheet:
Passive Physical Damage Mitigation:
RV/VK - 85.29% with tenacity
RV/WL/PL - 84.33%
Average Physical Damage Mitigation:
RV/VK - 92.77% with tenacity
RV/WL/PL - 93.42% with WL synergy
Magic Damage Reduction:
RV/VK - 63.08% with tenacity
RV/WL/PL - 58.08%
Last edited by Eaux; 11-13-2011 at 12:49 AM.
ah ok, i see, thanks for clarifying that for me. So with those numbers, 38/16/12 is worse off, although would be used for Cutting debuff, otherwise 38/28 is better physical/magical mitigation, but brings no debuffs (although has a purge, which is handy). Also, makes us use either VK/Reaver crystal, which both suck, for spec with less then 44
wow, I hate reaver...serious bummer. What was the point of this patch again ?
to rework VK into Reaver. I'm a very sad panda about this, I never liked the Reaver tree and any plans to open up lots of option has disintegrated into tank Reaver.
Last edited by Redrowen; 11-13-2011 at 03:06 AM.
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