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    Default An in depth Guide: 51 Riftblade/15 Paragon

    Hello there warrior forum peeps. Here's a simple guide for the dual wield 51 point riftblade.

    Before I get into this, I want to give credit to Delolith for bringing this build to my attention. I've been testing it for what feels like a while now, and since people are interested I decided to write up a guide.

    The Build
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1cLut.EGstdsrGdsR.Vxx

    Before we get into the guts of this build, let me start off by saying i swap between vindicator and void knight souls for HK as my zero point soul. Fights that are magic heavy on melee such as Matron Zamira? Void Knight. Trash pulls with all the annoying CC? Vindicator. Very simple.

    Now that we're beyond that, let me discuss why we go dual wield, and only dual wield, for PVE with the 51 riftblade. Empowered Strikes greatly improves the damage of your auto attacks, and in this build, by going dual wield, your auto attacks actually become quite a nice asset and are a main reason why this build is so viable. So although you have plenty of range with this build (no downtime on ranged attacks, which we'll discuss later), there is plenty reason to stick on the boss as much as possible due to how hard your auto attacks hit. Due to the recent elemental touch nerf, your auto attacks actually contribute more to your overall DPS than ET.

    The Rotation
    Next we'll simply discuss the rotation with this build, without getting into macros and all that jazz. We will however go over macros for this build, but it's pretty blunt to be honest. The rotation is really where people make or break this build. If you cannot do it correctly, you're better off sticking to just spamming fiery burst because it will result in a dps loss.

    You'll notice in our paragon tree we took 5/5 in Weapon Master. This skill should be nothing new for most DPS warriors currently raiding HK, or anyone who played rift during 1.3, as every para spec comes equipped with it. What we are doing in our rotation types out simple, but actually applying it can be difficult if you have trouble multi-tasking during a boss fight.

    Basically here is what we're looking at:

    ap3= attack point macro til 3 attack points
    fb = fiery burst
    ebsb = earthburst/stormburst
    * = potential weapon master proc


    AP3 *
    FB
    AP3 (weapon master proc goes off)
    ebsb
    AP3 *
    FB
    AP3 (weapon master proc goes off)
    ebsb
    AP3 *
    FB
    AP3 *
    FB

    repeat


    The star indicates that you could have a potential weapon master proc anywhere in those attack point builder abilities. Your main focus here is to weave earth and storm burst into your rotation while maintaining fiery burst as much as you possibly can. This only becomes easy with practice, much like any other rotation. I'm not talking about dummy practice though. It definitely helps to learn it a bit on the dummy, but really, your best opportunity to learn it is in HK/GSB/RoS so that you do it with movement and learn to really multitask. This is not that difficult, but it definitely can be for some people who are used to SLI/Fieryx2/SLI. You'll never run the same rotation twice with this build, but if you do it correctly and only weave EBSB during WM procs you will always parse quite high.

    Stats
    We've always statted towards crit. This build definitely has a crit reliance (around 25% without buffs is the least you want to go), but it is more reliant on your base Attack power being over 800 for best results. Currently, the only way to do this without completely wrecking your crit is to grind out for pvp gear. If you are rank 6 or higher, I recommend this build to you. If not, I would stick with the 38 21 7 if you choose to dual wield. I cannot at this time recommend any 2H builds, as I do not like playing falsely inflated builds, and since all 2H builds are currently affected by the Deadly Strikes Bug (as this will be called until someone from Trion steps out and says otherwise), my sylvan will remain banked.

    The macros

    AP Builder:
    #show rift strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast rift strike
    cast frost strike
    cast searing strike
    cast flinching strike (on fights that don't need interrupt)
    cast path of the raptor
    cast stonespear
    cast flamespear
    cast path of the wind

    This build has 100% ranged uptime, which is great for fights like Soulrender zilas.

    SB/EB finisher:
    #show storm burst
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast storm burst
    cast earth burst

    That's it. I keep fiery burst off any macro and it has it's own key. Although I macro storm and earth burst together, I also keep a seperate button for earth burst so I can always see where it's cooldown is. I also don't use an aoe macro, I just spam thunderstrike and alternate my finshers.

    Buffs
    Avatar of the Rift
    Planar Blade (i dislike tablets, even though I have a plethora from pvp. also helps with mobility in fights)
    Way of the River
    Focus of Strength (is overwritten in a raid environment)


    That's it, enjoy. I hope this guide helps people interested in the 51 riftblade build.

    Parse/Gear quoted from another thread of mine:

    my dummy parse:

    self buffs (avatar of the rift, paragon str buff, planar blade, way of the river, and fervor from a bard)

    http://i.imgur.com/wjShc.png

    my stats/gear:

    http://i.imgur.com/6G1Hx.jpg
    Last edited by lameboi; 08-25-2011 at 05:27 PM.
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    I tried this build after I just got my P8 gear today. Stats are very close to yours, except I have a relic in mainhand instead of R8 weapon (I spent my marks on R8 2hander...). One thing I noticed that is unfortunate with the rotation is Earth Burst overwrites any applications of Freeze armor on the target. So even if you're not including Freeze Armor in your rotation, if some other warrior in the raid is trying to apply it to buff fiery burst damage for the raid, you will keep screwing it up. Not sure how many warriors you would need in the raid (with fiery burst) for this to cause a net loss in raid DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bear_on_the_job View Post
    I tried this build after I just got my P8 gear today. Stats are very close to yours, except I have a relic in mainhand instead of R8 weapon (I spent my marks on R8 2hander...). One thing I noticed that is unfortunate with the rotation is Earth Burst overwrites any applications of Freeze armor on the target. So even if you're not including Freeze Armor in your rotation, if some other warrior in the raid is trying to apply it to buff fiery burst damage for the raid, you will keep screwing it up. Not sure how many warriors you would need in the raid (with fiery burst) for this to cause a net loss in raid DPS.
    we only use earth burst during flaring power usually, so i don't weave EB in during that and i just keep fiery burst up.

    if there was a fight where we wanted to run it the entire time, i'd simply not use earth burst for the benefit of the guild.
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    What I usually do for AoE with RB specs is add:
    cast [shift] Thunder Strike

    above Searing, so can still use just 1 button (E = fiery, and shift+e = Storm/Earth so makes it easy to pop finishers too while just holding down shift and spam AP/Finisher buttons).

    Still not sold on WM (Occasional Earth/Storm) out doing 10% to fiery and 10% strength for ST. Added range is alright, but you should never be at range for too long and 3 spears help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lameboi View Post
    we only use earth burst during flaring power usually, so i don't weave EB in during that and i just keep fiery burst up.

    if there was a fight where we wanted to run it the entire time, i'd simply not use earth burst for the benefit of the guild.
    not earth burst, freeze armor
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikeQ View Post
    What I usually do for AoE with RB specs is add:
    cast [shift] Thunder Strike

    above Searing, so can still use just 1 button (E = fiery, and shift+e = Storm/Earth so makes it easy to pop finishers too while just holding down shift and spam AP/Finisher buttons).

    Still not sold on WM (Occasional Earth/Storm) out doing 10% to fiery and 10% strength for ST. Added range is alright, but you should never be at range for too long and 3 spears help.
    go parse it mate. i've already done the tests, i'm not here to sell you ;) just giving a guide on this build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lameboi View Post
    go parse it mate. i've already done the tests, i'm not here to sell you ;) just giving a guide on this build.
    That's the thing, parsing on dummies is meh with this build. Not enough power. Waiting on raid night. Haven't seen enough champ vs para raid parses yet.
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    Wait, you use EBSB on 1 point?
    I tried doing the rotation of Fiery Burst and then if I get to 3 AP on one skill (i.e. I've used a skill at 2 AP, got a weapon proc and then got another weapon proc) use EBSB at 3 AP and go back to fiery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZuKii View Post
    Wait, you use EBSB on 1 point?
    I tried doing the rotation of Fiery Burst and then if I get to 3 AP on one skill (i.e. I've used a skill at 2 AP, got a weapon proc and then got another weapon proc) use EBSB at 3 AP and go back to fiery...
    That's what I'm doing atm while doing some test parses. Only 3AP on finishers no matter which.
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    Self Buffed + Fanfare of Power (Leftover from a warfront 52 str/dex) + lowbie tablet (9 str one) for those unlucky non crit streaks bottoming out power.

    15 Champ:
    Parse 1: 1652 DPS - 27% Overall Crit | 36% Fiery Crit | 44% Searing Crit
    Parse 2: 1628 DPS - 28% Overall Crit | 43% Fiery Crit | 42% Searing Crit

    15 Para:
    Parse 1: 1700 DPS - 33% Overall Crit | 46% Fiery Crit | 55% Searing Crit
    Parse 2: 1563 DPS - 31% Overall Crit | 41% Fiery Crit | 40% Searing Crit

    Overall Champ seems better, the 3% crit from para edges it out some on dummy parsing but not nearly so well in raids since both specs will have a lot higher crit (~18% or so)
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikeQ View Post
    That's what I'm doing atm while doing some test parses. Only 3AP on finishers no matter which.
    yep, all 3 pt finishers.
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    2h version of the 51 rb does a fair chunk more dmg in raid environment from my observation. i srsly see no reason to run this unless i have hk 1h's and t1 raid 2h's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharogy View Post
    2h version of the 51 rb does a fair chunk more dmg in raid environment from my observation. i srsly see no reason to run this unless i have hk 1h's and t1 raid 2h's
    Yeah, it is basically the hit requirement that is forcing 1h.

    Parsed 2850 on Matron with this build tonight, I was happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikeQ View Post
    Self Buffed + Fanfare of Power (Leftover from a warfront 52 str/dex) + lowbie tablet (9 str one) for those unlucky non crit streaks bottoming out power.

    15 Champ:
    Parse 1: 1652 DPS - 27% Overall Crit | 36% Fiery Crit | 44% Searing Crit
    Parse 2: 1628 DPS - 28% Overall Crit | 43% Fiery Crit | 42% Searing Crit

    15 Para:
    Parse 1: 1700 DPS - 33% Overall Crit | 46% Fiery Crit | 55% Searing Crit
    Parse 2: 1563 DPS - 31% Overall Crit | 41% Fiery Crit | 40% Searing Crit

    Overall Champ seems better, the 3% crit from para edges it out some on dummy parsing but not nearly so well in raids since both specs will have a lot higher crit (~18% or so)
    What is your pt distribution in Champ? Even though Deadly Strikes is bugged, it is only for physical damage...so it would basically give you no benefit in this build correct? I desparately need the extra hit from Cruel Efficiency for HK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharogy View Post
    2h version of the 51 rb does a fair chunk more dmg in raid environment from my observation. i srsly see no reason to run this unless i have hk 1h's and t1 raid 2h's
    i do more than our 2h 51 riftblade by ALOT heh.
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