An in depth Guide: 51 Riftblade/15 Paragon

[Delolith]

Good work frootloops, thanks for compiling this information and doing the testing necessary to come up with a solid build I can do some testing of my own with.

To be technically correct I came up with the build and did the initial testings + the importance of AP contribution to it. He did the write up and some more testings

Still though I wouldn't have gone into the trouble to post it on forums in such detailed manner.

[Shubit]

There is some issue there. You state that your AP is close to what Frootloops is but your autoattack damage while DWing T2 raid weapons (well one of them) is 217. I hit usually 280-300 autoattack damage with Fang of Lifelord. I will let you know today how much I parse with full r8 gear.

not rly something to be surprised about . I already stated that weapondps only affect autoattack on a marginal level, Empowered Strikes and weapon speed being its main contributors. I assume you had a much higher crit rate for autoattacks in your parse than me, resulting in such a gap between our parses.

[HaroldSpitescar]

To be technically correct I came up with the build and did the initial testings + the importance of AP contribution to it. He did the write up and some more testings

Still though I wouldn't have gone into the trouble to post it on forums in such detailed manner.

I find it lame that you had to point this out, thanks tho.

[Delolith]

I find it lame that you had to point this out, thanks tho.

What can I say...I am lame. Thanks though.

[Kharis]

I've been using this build for a while now and just now noticed this thread.

Wished to ask / verify something.

I typically use this build with high str daggers for optimum auto attack speed.

I've noticed in my parses that DW daggers > 2H > DW Swords > DW Axes


I am assuming this is because auto attack damage is not normalized, unlike typical ability dmg, and thus you get a bigger bonus from ES when utilizing faster attack speed weapons.

Confirm?

[Delolith]

I've been using this build for a while now and just now noticed this thread.

Wished to ask / verify something.

I typically use this build with high str daggers for optimum auto attack speed.

I've noticed in my parses that DW daggers > 2H > DW Swords > DW Axes


I am assuming this is because auto attack damage is not normalized, unlike typical ability dmg, and thus you get a bigger bonus from ES when utilizing faster attack speed weapons.

Confirm?

Autoattack is normalized between weapon type. Aka all weapons in DWing do the same damage....but they do more damage than 2h weapons. However, since empowered strikes add a flat number depending on your AP to your autoattack damage, the faster you hit the more damage you do. So daggers are optimal.

So it goes daggers>swords>axes>maces>polearms>2h swords>2h axes

[lameboi]

What can I say...I am lame. Thanks though.

to be fair you didn't come up with the importance of ap contribuation to any build.

i was a very quick rank 8 and knew this for quite a while (codex trinket anyone?)

but lets not go flashing out epeens out just yet.

[Delolith]

to be fair you didn't come up with the importance of ap contribuation to any build.

i was a very quick rank 8 and knew this for quite a while (codex trinket anyone?)

but lets not go flashing out epeens out just yet.

It was just a technicality correction. That is all. Also:

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ml#post2748841

Check the date of that post. Don't tell me you have been experimenting with 51RB builds back then

[lameboi]

It was just a technicality correction. That is all. Also:

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ml#post2748841

Check the date of that post. Don't tell me you have been experimenting with 51RB builds back then

na definitely not ;)

i was messing with 29 builds and DW

back to the point of the thread though.

right now,for warrior dps with r8 weapons involved:

38para2h > 51rb=bm > 38paradw

the 38 para 2h is leaps and bounds ahead of these builds single target with the proper rotation. even if you don't use a proper rotation though, in the first 10% of molinar last night i was at 2500 single target so i'm interested to test it on sicaron and see how it does in that fight. whether it's a bug or not we'll have to find out.

[Ransac]

na definitely not ;)

i was messing with 29 builds and DW

back to the point of the thread though.

right now,for warrior dps with r8 weapons involved:

38para2h > 51rb=bm > 38paradw

the 38 para 2h is leaps and bounds ahead of these builds single target with the proper rotation. even if you don't use a proper rotation though, in the first 10% of molinar last night i was at 2500 single target so i'm interested to test it on sicaron and see how it does in that fight. whether it's a bug or not we'll have to find out.

Yah u really cant compete with 38 para right now.. The rotation isnt nearly as hard as people make it out to be. I did a run thru DH and GP just to get it down, by the time i was out i had it down pat. Parsed about 2050 on plutonus with it using a Shovel. Also had about a 5 second dps stop.

Got Alsbeth to drop a Soul Reaper for me =)
So we will see how i do this week.

[lameboi]

Yah u really cant compete with 38 para right now.. The rotation isnt nearly as hard as people make it out to be. I did a run thru DH and GP just to get it down, by the time i was out i had it down pat. Parsed about 2050 on plutonus with it using a Shovel. Also had about a 5 second dps stop.

Got Alsbeth to drop a Soul Reaper for me =)
So we will see how i do this week.

yeah like i said.. r8 axe.. first 10% of molinar.. people are around 2k-2100, 38 para 2button jamming is at 2500 lol.. it's nuts

[Ransac]

yeah like i said.. r8 axe.. first 10% of molinar.. people are around 2k-2100, 38 para 2button jamming is at 2500 lol.. it's nuts

How are u reaching hit cap to use the r8 2h? Or have u received a couple HK armor pieces with hit on em?

[Sharogy]

Afaik 38para 2h build suffers significantly from movement heavy fights, any splits second u are out of melee range u are looking at a heavy hit on ur dps, also this spec has very low aoe capability, while this is less so with other specs. depends on ur tasks in hk raid, only on murdantix, sicaron, inquisitor u can savely say this is the most optimal spec for the encounter.

[lameboi]

How are u reaching hit cap to use the r8 2h? Or have u received a couple HK armor pieces with hit on em?

2xHK rings + 4/5 cruel efficiency

[Ransac]

Afaik 38para 2h build suffers significantly from movement heavy fights, any splits second u are out of melee range u are looking at a heavy hit on ur dps, also this spec has very low aoe capability, while this is less so with other specs. depends on ur tasks in hk raid, only on murdantix, sicaron, inquisitor u can savely say this is the most optimal spec for the encounter.

Wrong my friend. I have zero issue with this spec on mobile fights. Charge and Way of the mountain keep me in range on any fight with running around or knockbacks. As for AoE..Its no slouch either.. Hitting 5 targets with cleave, blade fury, and tabbing fiery burst on multiple targets in between.. You'd be surprised.