Kruunch's Dual Wield Raid Build

[Puzzlebox]

Yeah I'd need to see some regular raid parses from a variety of people beating my parse before I subscribe to that build. Not doubting Valthirus, but in my experience those kind of rotations go out the window (and actually hurt DPS for most people) in an actual raid environment.

I'm not sure if even Rizaz still separates his oGCDs and he's the first person that I know of who came up with the 3 RW rotation back in the old Champ/BM days. I remember trying it a number of times and having a *really* hard time doing it on the dummy and absolutely impossible (for me) in a raid setting.

Yea, I was able to do the Rizaz's 3RW rotation on the dummies just fine. But on stuff like Johlen, my DPS plummeted to lower than if I had just spammed the macro.

[divath]

Poth is undeniably nice but some players lack the ability to control it and well in my r6/7 pvp gear and pve jewels I crit with mb and 2h for just under what I crit on poth with sli up. I resently reinstalled my os and havent gotten around to getting the parser again so I havent managed to compare effectiveness over time. But I think it also depends on playstyle/mood lol.

[Kruunch]

Yea, I was able to do the Rizaz's 3RW rotation on the dummies just fine. But on stuff like Johlen, my DPS plummeted to lower than if I had just spammed the macro.

This has been my experience with it as well.

[Kruunch]

Poth is undeniably nice but some players lack the ability to control it and well in my r6/7 pvp gear and pve jewels I crit with mb and 2h for just under what I crit on poth with sli up. I resently reinstalled my os and havent gotten around to getting the parser againt so I havent managed to compare effectiveness over time. But I think it also depends on playstyle/mood lol.

I'll parse the difference tonight. If 2H MB spam turns out to be greater I'll include a weapon swap for the AOE macro.

Keep in mind that this is a raiding spec ... the only place PotH would really be detrimental is on Duke (GSB) because you might accidentally kill a Shambler.

Even in RoS clearing trash I didn't run into any problems with PotH.

[Ahov]

Yea, I was able to do the Rizaz's 3RW rotation on the dummies just fine. But on stuff like Johlen, my DPS plummeted to lower than if I had just spammed the macro.

At higher energy levels, such as with a 6 RB build, you are actually better off spamming everything in one macro. The same goes for DW builds; it's better to spam everything than try to land path of the raptor more often.

At lower energy levels, such as with a 2 RB build, you are better off with timing your powerful attacks, because they will get the largest benefit from going deeper into champion and utilizing SLI.

[Kruunch]

At higher energy levels, such as with a 6 RB build, you are actually better off spamming everything in one macro. The same goes for DW builds; it's better to spam everything than try to land path of the raptor more often.

At lower energy levels, such as with a 2 RB build, you are better off with timing your powerful attacks, because they will get the largest benefit from going deeper into champion and utilizing SLI.

I think we understand that and our thoughts were the more complex rotation leaves more room for error (with marginal gains (if any) if successful).

[Barsh]

I was curious about bend like a reed. What is you guys opinion. I would not say I religiously hit it whenever I can but when I do you get significantly higher numbers
I have been trying to work it in but I do sacrifice fb for it sometimes

[divath]

If I was in a raiding guild id love to contribute more but no luck with that so im a pvp freak instead. Thanks for all the hard work guys and gals(just in case). Just started posting but have been reading for months.

[Ahov]

I was curious about bend like a reed. What is you guys opinion. I would not say I religiously hit it whenever I can but when I do you get significantly higher numbers
I have been trying to work it in but I do sacrifice fb for it sometimes

Bend like the reed will inevitably be a dps loss. This is because it uses a global cooldown as opposed to fiery burst/SLI which allow you to continue using path of the raptor or dual strike.

[Gaylonn]

Is it just me or does your 'no interrupt' macro have interrupts in it =P

[divath]

Bltr imo is the paras oh **** skill. Raids almost no need for it Im guessing unless you get agro from trash. But in t2 it can be a group saver in case the tank is under geared or something. Generally you would have 2nd highest taunt so bltr gives the cleric a stress free 10 seconds to bres. Only say this cuz it happened on plutonus the other night for me. Tank had like 8k hp let himself get booted into lasers. Was a fun tanking experience for me lol.

[Valthirus]

Pretty much sums it up. 2050 is impressive for DW. I haven't been able to test my RW or an RB spec on Plut yet... What do you think of RB 2 Hand vs. DW, Kruunch?

[Kruunch]

Is it just me or does your 'no interrupt' macro have interrupts in it =P

It's just you.

Mostly because I just removed them

Thanks for the catch!

[Gaylonn]

Bltr imo is the paras oh **** skill. Raids almost no need for it Im guessing unless you get agro from trash. But in t2 it can be a group saver in case the tank is under geared or something. Generally you would have 2nd highest taunt so bltr gives the cleric a stress free 10 seconds to bres. Only say this cuz it happened on plutonus the other night for me. Tank had like 8k hp let himself get booted into lasers. Was a fun tanking experience for me lol.

On many occasions being quick to pop BLTR has saved some fail groups on Bonehew the Thunderer in eDSM when the tank and/or healer let themselves get knocked off the platform.

[Kruunch]

I was curious about bend like a reed. What is you guys opinion. I would not say I religiously hit it whenever I can but when I do you get significantly higher numbers
I have been trying to work it in but I do sacrifice fb for it sometimes

Bend like the reed will inevitably be a dps loss. This is because it uses a global cooldown as opposed to fiery burst/SLI which allow you to continue using path of the raptor or dual strike.

What Ahov said. You can use BLtR if you have a good chain Weapon Master procs and are going to be hanging out waiting for FB to clear ... but you really have to be hawking your rotation and understand that you will be using BLtR very little.

It's also useful in total disconnect fights (the pause at Oracle (once both WWs are down), Plutonis (if you pause DPS at 54%), Duke (Wrath), Hylas (Wrath) and GS (just before he lands) *AND* you have 3 APs to blow on it.

I also include it in my build if you find yourself in the situation of having to "evasion" tank.

Mostly a filler point though.