Dex>Str Proof? - For the benefit of peace & quiet on our guild forum.

[Blank2k]

Our guild forum has been rife with Rogues vs Warriors, Rogues extremely bitter about the fact warriors are wanting Dex accessories. (and warriors are bitter because right now, there refused to roll on them in GS/RoS raids)

While we've got people trying to pharse it we cant come up with any conclusive results, We've all argued til were blue in the face about it.... And we've come up with the plain english argument of Riftblade's skills being unaffected by AP but are affected by Crit etc but this doesn't silence the more stubborn rogue complainers who are insisting on seeing numbers that prove Dex beats Strength.


So I was wondering, can anyone show solid statistical undeniable proof that stacking Dexterity is better than stacking Strength?

[tommythecat]

It's funny, my favorite soul is RB and I still don't know the answer to this question.

[Sez]

It doesn't matter how good Dex is for warriors because:

Dex gives rogues more of a boost than it does warriors, regardless if str or dex is better for said warriors.

Rogues get more out of the item. End of discussion.

[Hokonoso]

use teh BiS list

str > dex BUT crit > AP. however, some plate sux and have crappy str/crit ratios making the leather equivalent better. the BiS list (somewhere on forums) will show which pieces are better and why. and it's a mix of plate and leather in case you are wondering.

[Blank2k]

use teh BiS list

str > dex BUT crit > AP. however, some plate sux and have crappy str/crit ratios making the leather equivalent better. the BiS list (somewhere on forums) will show which pieces are better and why. and it's a mix of plate and leather in case you are wondering.

Found the BiS list using the all-knowing google, but seems to be based on 1.1... Is there a more updated list?

[Rizaz]

http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...r+list+warrior

[Keota]

It doesn't matter how good Dex is for warriors because:

Dex gives rogues more of a boost than it does warriors, regardless if str or dex is better for said warriors.

Rogues get more out of the item. End of discussion.

Quoted for emphasis.

Any good raid leader considers loot an investment. It's an investment of the guild's time in one particular player, who has helped the guild achieve a goal (i.e. downing a boss).

Considering rogues get the not only the same amount of Crit from, but more AP from 1 Dex than any warrior will, giving Dex items to Rogues is always a better investment.

This is somewhat unfortunate, being as I play a DPS Warrior main, knowing a couple of my BIS pieces are leather. I'll get to roll on Strap of Darkness it after every rogue has had their chance, but not until then. But that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[Hokonoso]

Quoted for emphasis.

Any good raid leader considers loot an investment. It's an investment of the guild's time in one particular player, who has helped the guild achieve a goal (i.e. downing a boss).

Considering rogues get the not only the same amount of Crit from, but more AP from 1 Dex than any warrior will, giving Dex items to Rogues is always a better investment.

This is somewhat unfortunate, being as I play a DPS Warrior main, knowing a couple of my BIS pieces are leather. I'll get to roll on Strap of Darkness it after every rogue has had their chance, but not until then. But that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

that's failure. it's up to the rogue or warrior to know what is BiS and if it is, to roll on it/spend dkp on it. if an item is BiS and a raid leader wont let them roll, that is a terrible raid leader.

[Sez]

that's failure. it's up to the rogue or warrior to know what is BiS and if it is, to roll on it/spend dkp on it. if an item is BiS and a raid leader wont let them roll, that is a terrible raid leader.

No, that's Democrazy.


(I had to do it)


Each guild is allowed to set their own rules. Glad he has two opinions to go off. I wonder what he will do... Its obviously not a clear-cut decision.

[Blank2k]

http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...r+list+warrior

Thanks for that!

And just so people know I am reading other posts, Just waiting to see where we end up!

it's good to see some fresh views rather than the repeated rambles of a dozen people quoting mindless calculations and speeches on our forum right now. :P

[Keota]

that's failure. it's up to the rogue or warrior to know what is BiS and if it is, to roll on it/spend dkp on it. if an item is BiS and a raid leader wont let them roll, that is a terrible raid leader.

Terrible in what sense?

Hypothetically speaking, if an item awards 17STR, 30 Dex, (no AP or Crit) A rogue will receive 30 Crit and ~.75AP per 1 Dex and .25AP per 1 STR (comes out to 26.75 AP)
That same item with 17 STR, 30 Dex will award a warrior 30 Crit and .25AP per 1 Dex and .75AP per STR (comes out to 20.25AP)

There remains a difference of 5.5AP. While the difference seems minimal, the entire point of a "progression guild" where this might be an issue is to achieve full potential out of fewest utilities in the shortest amount of time. In the long run though, that 17STR, 30Dex (or similarly itemized) piece will simply benefit a rogue more than a warrior, end of story.

[Ignored]

Why are you bringing riftblades to raids?

Fail DPS.

Tell them to re-roll a useful spec, then give the loot to rogues.

[StrikeQ]

Terrible in what sense?

Hypothetically speaking, if an item awards 17STR, 30 Dex, (no AP or Crit) A rogue will receive 30 Crit and ~.75AP per 1 Dex and .25AP per 1 STR (comes out to 26.75 AP)
That same item with 17 STR, 30 Dex will award a warrior 30 Crit and .25AP per 1 Dex and .75AP per STR (comes out to 20.25AP)

There remains a difference of 5.5AP. While the difference seems minimal, the entire point of a "progression guild" where this might be an issue is to achieve full potential out of fewest utilities in the shortest amount of time. In the long run though, that 17STR, 30Dex (or similarly itemized) piece will simply benefit a rogue more than a warrior, end of story.

Isn't it .5 AP per 1 str or 1 dex for rogues?

So yea, they get .25 more AP per 1 dex then warriors.

So that'd be 23.5 AP for rogues and 20.25AP for Warriors. Difference of 3.25 AP. Not that different.

[Skaer]

Why are you bringing riftblades to raids?

Fail DPS.

Tell them to re-roll a useful spec, then give the loot to rogues.

I get single target 650 DPS out of my reaver / riftblade spec in tank gear. I feel I could easily get 1k with t2 dps gear on, I don't see how that's fail, especially because it can be maintained fairly well at a range and doesn't require a pet.

[schmitty]

I'm pretty sure since warriors do more damage than rogues they should go to warriors. HEHE