[PvP] Why Are DPS Warrior Utterly Garbage Now?

[jaym7018]

I honestly cant believe this post is serious. Warriors pre and post 1.2 are like gods in pvp. I have a 50 rogue, 42 war, and 36 cleric and by far the War is the best at pvp. Sometimes it is almost comical how far above my warr is compared to anyone else even if I am at the very bottom of the bracket.

Here is just one example:

http://i54.tinypic.com/n2dann.jpg

lol the lowbie days of fighting MM without improved hit and run or eradicate or pyros without fulminate pyro armor ground of strength or the pvp tree and clerics without the points to get massive healing and survivability tools. Why bother posting a SS like that when the people you fight are missing the 20+ points they will have at 50.

[Freeborn]

Sorry but this thread was not about level 50 wars. The OP posted this thread as a leveling war in pvp.

[RamzaBeoulve]

RB is trash in PvP. Bad burst, bad survivability.

Rofl, 51 RB and 15 Paragon has huge burst.

You play from range and spam attacks all day long. Unless the other focus you often, you'll be top 3 in damage all the time and if you aren't an idiot that keeps attacking targets with huge damage reduction and healing, you'll actually kill people pretty quickly.

[nemecis]

That's the problem : a DPS Warrior is a big joke in PvP UNLESS an invincible healing Cleric is behind you all the time in which case Warrior becomes the most powerful class in the game, but for the same price of two people you could have 2 MM or 2 Pyros killing people left and right as well.

I suggest it's not a problem but directly from design. Warriors are the only tree without group (and limited self) healing. As such they rely on OTHERS for this mechanic. All other classes can opt into a healing spec. We're also the only class with more than 1 tanking soul, heck we have 4 tanking souls!

It's your choice to run around w/o heals, and without sufficient damage mitigation if you play pure Damage spec, so don't cry to others when you're face rolled and don't understand why.

Outside of pure healing clerics, warrior more than any other class option is dependent on a team to back them up. Warriors in groups are an asset not to be overlooked.

Far too many of these QQs come from within a vacuum, neglecting to look at the whole picture is the reason for your falure, not the perceived imbalances attributed to Trion.

[Freeborn]

Here is the WF I just got out of. You will notice that I received about the same healing as everyone else and half of it was actually my heals. I run all my WFs solo; no healers and no premades. I have no doubt things will change at 50 but this post wasn't about war pvp at 50 it was about war pvp while leveling.

http://i53.tinypic.com/w1458y.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/n21or8.jpg

[nemecis]

Here is the WF I just got out of. You will notice that I received about the same healing as everyone else and half of it was actually my heals. I run all my WFs solo; no healers and no premades. I have no doubt things will change at 50 but this post wasn't about war pvp at 50 it was about war pvp while leveling.

http://i53.tinypic.com/w1458y.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/n21or8.jpg

based on OP and post title, there is not distinction made which would indicate 50 or pre 50 leaning on behalf of the OP.

[Freeborn]

DPS builds -meaning non tanking souls- are pure garbage PvP wise as I level.

I think the first sentence is pretty clear.

[Rottweiler-STi]

RB is trash in PvP. Bad burst, bad survivability.

rb/pali or rb/vk/pali has 1,000x more survivability than champ lol.


RB/pali/vk is insane with ravenous strength + pali shield buff + aggressive block. I'm not sure what the block% ends up being but it feels borderline OP vs another warrior or rogue.

And I still dont get why people say RB has bad burst. champ uses attack points as their own attacks. RB uses attack points as burst ON NEXT ATTACK. So attack point dumps are BURST + ABILITY, which with crits is on par with champ crits. Not to mention you can maintain pressure and burst from range, whereas if a champ gets put just 1m out of meleee range they lose MASSSIVE dps.

I have absolutely zero problem killing any class except uber (r6) outlast clerics which you can't killl with a champ either.

There is no "leg humping either lol" I can kill basically any class (except high rank clerics) with one rotation of spears, pali stun, and then one more AP dump before they even have a chance to react.

This is the RB/VK/Pali build I run
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0c...dz.gc0o.xxouoo

I have knocked VK before on the grounds of the dispell not being that great, but I have actually came to like it due to the block increase ravenous strength adds. That combined with martial shield, you can basically build up attack points doing nothing lol, it's great, and allows for non-stop AP dumps. Not to mention 2 interrupts (shield bash and earth burst) compared to champ only having one assuming the target is immune to cc.

51/rb/pali/para build i also use:
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0c...srGtdz.xxozo.b


Champs rely on snares and stuns to maintain constant, therefore regardless of their burst have lost a lot of their effectiveness in 1.2 imo. Even if you have 50% healing debuff, doesn't matter if you can't maintain pressure, which is why I don't even miss the debuff.

[PPMyDoDeeSock]

Rofl, 51 RB and 15 Paragon has huge burst.

You play from range and spam attacks all day long. Unless the other focus you often, you'll be top 3 in damage all the time and if you aren't an idiot that keeps attacking targets with huge damage reduction and healing, you'll actually kill people pretty quickly.

LoL, 51 RB/Paragon as a viable pvp spec...lololol so bad.

[empyrean]

I suggest it's not a problem but directly from design. Warriors are the only tree without group (and limited self) healing. As such they rely on OTHERS for this mechanic. All other classes can opt into a healing spec. We're also the only class with more than 1 tanking soul, heck we have 4 tanking souls!

It's your choice to run around w/o heals, and without sufficient damage mitigation if you play pure Damage spec, so don't cry to others when you're face rolled and don't understand why.

Outside of pure healing clerics, warrior more than any other class option is dependent on a team to back them up. Warriors in groups are an asset not to be overlooked.

Far too many of these QQs come from within a vacuum, neglecting to look at the whole picture is the reason for your falure, not the perceived imbalances attributed to Trion.

No matter how many insults you roll into your post, it doesn't change that fact that melee are bottom of the barrel when it comes to PvP and DPS warriors suffer the most from this. To say that DPS warriors are "utter garbage" may be hyperbole but they are definitely the lowest on the ladder.

Trion definitely needs to look into this because one selling point of this game was the soul system and if a certain selection of souls are going to be head-and-shoulders worse than the others, well, that goes against the diverse model the soul system seeks to mold itself after.

[empyrean]

LoL, 51 RB/Paragon as a viable pvp spec...lololol so bad.

It's actually alright with some Valor on you and a reasonable number of healers on the team (does not have to be a pocket healer).
Definitely not the greatest though - survivability is pretty low, and bursting people down is a 50/50 gamble.

In my experience, I found that I won some, and lost some.

[empyrean]

Here is the WF I just got out of. You will notice that I received about the same healing as everyone else and half of it was actually my heals. I run all my WFs solo; no healers and no premades. I have no doubt things will change at 50 but this post wasn't about war pvp at 50 it was about war pvp while leveling.

http://i53.tinypic.com/w1458y.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/n21or8.jpg

Please get to 50 before you style yourself as an authority on warriors in PvP.

[PPMyDoDeeSock]

It's actually alright with some Valor on you and a reasonable number of healers on the team (does not have to be a pocket healer).
Definitely not the greatest though - survivability is pretty low, and bursting people down is a 50/50 gamble.

In my experience, I found that I won some, and lost some.

If i see avatar of the rift on a warrior, i train them cause they are straight up easier to kill than most mages, clerics and rogues.

[empyrean]

If i see avatar of the rift on a warrior, i train them cause they are straight up easier to kill than most mages, clerics and rogues.

This is the part I run into my team's huddle and hope to survive, heh.

[Kristoph]

If i see avatar of the rift on a warrior, i train them cause they are straight up easier to kill than most mages, clerics and rogues.

Same lol, I hit spell sunder and watch them die without them being able to do anything. They're so reliable on their buffs it makes them worthless with the amount of marksmen/VKs debuffing people. Add the stone/windspear/earthburst fail immunity and they're officially garbage and a waste of a warfront slot.



I made myself useful earlier when I went into port scion. PvE tank spec, grabbed a sourcestone and ran around church/bridge without turning it in for about 10 minutes. I didn't really do anything but still got high favor due to reaver AOEs and the fact that I had 0 deaths, lol.