Snuggles PvP MM/RS Spec - With Video

[StrifeV]

Sorry to go a little offtopic here, but what are the addons you use? I really like the cast bar/combo point thing and the bar that shows your debuffs.

Target Casting Bar - As the name says, shows the targets cast bar.
Swords - This is the 5 dots, with my own custom images. I think the author of this may have added the circle images to his addon.
Padabuffs - this is what I used at this time to show debuffs, it shows both debuffs & buffs but I disable the buff feature.
KaruulAlert - this is what I use to show my buffs I need to recast..

Since I made this I have disabled Padabuffs & Karuulalert and went back to using NKRebuff to handle both of those functions.

I'll have to show you how it's done Snuggles. When I see you in a WF....

Watch out

You saw me the other day, we had a couple run ins in a codex.

[StrifeV]

I'm not sure what Ax1om's problem is, his original post is confusing and means two completely different things depending on how it's read, neither of which actually make sense either.

Anyways, I've been running this spec for a while now and so far enjoy it. The biggest benefit in my mind is how useful it is to get free heals off someone who dies before I get in a finisher, which is frequently in group PvP. The biggest drawback in my mind is not having the extra 3% hit from MM, which happens to be my only source of hit in full PvP gear at all. Also takes a little getting used to having so many teleports as a MM.

Still not sure if it can beat a pure 51MM in terms of raw damage capability, but it's a fun spec to try out nonetheless.

Fighting any other MM is pretty much a crapshoot. This spec can't out DPS the other versions(the MM/NB or MM/SIN) but will probably have more life. As for the 3% hit from MM, I usually use my HK marks zardonis helm & beastcarver from HK which puts me over 100 hit, so it's not an issue. I lose a little vengeance & valor but it's not really noticeable.

[Ax1om]

I'm not sure what Ax1om's problem is, his original post is confusing and means two completely different things depending on how it's read, neither of which actually make sense either.

Anyways, I've been running this spec for a while now and so far enjoy it. The biggest benefit in my mind is how useful it is to get free heals off someone who dies before I get in a finisher, which is frequently in group PvP. The biggest drawback in my mind is not having the extra 3% hit from MM, which happens to be my only source of hit in full PvP gear at all. Also takes a little getting used to having so many teleports as a MM.

Still not sure if it can beat a pure 51MM in terms of raw damage capability, but it's a fun spec to try out nonetheless.

Don't try to be smart. As I said he doesn't understand the problems and weakpoints of the MM soul and how the RS soul can compensate the lack defensive skills in a typical MM soulbuild, therefor his build is "not so great" (I am a kind person here!) for PvP.
Not having any +hit on your pvp gear? Guess that says more about you than the rest of your entire post.

[Amane]

Don't try to be smart. As I said he doesn't understand the problems and weakpoints of the MM soul and how the RS soul can compensate the lack defensive skills in a typical MM soulbuild, therefor his build is "not so great" (I am a kind person here!) for PvP.
Not having any +hit on your pvp gear? Guess that says more about you than the rest of your entire post.

I'm not trying to be smart, I'm just saying your posts have been somewhat confusing and haven't really supported your claim. It might be a language barrier or something, whatever, I'm just saying.

Last time I checked, PvP gear has no hit on it. Runes help, sure, but that static 3% from MM is still highly useful and the easiest source of free hit. This build is good for PvP, I highly suggest you at least give it a shot before making such bold claims.

[StrifeV]

Don't try to be smart. As I said he doesn't understand the problems and weakpoints of the MM soul and how the RS soul can compensate the lack defensive skills in a typical MM soulbuild, therefor his build is "not so great" (I am a kind person here!) for PvP.
Not having any +hit on your pvp gear? Guess that says more about you than the rest of your entire post.

This coming from the person that can't kite a NB/RS, SIN/RS or riftblade...

You don't have to like the build. It does me fine. If you're going to say negative things about the build or me in general, why don't you give solutions.

[lunatuna]

Don't try to be smart. As I said he doesn't understand the problems and weakpoints of the MM soul and how the RS soul can compensate the lack defensive skills in a typical MM soulbuild, therefor his build is "not so great" (I am a kind person here!) for PvP.
Not having any +hit on your pvp gear? Guess that says more about you than the rest of your entire post.

I tend to discount posts like this, because basically all you are saying is "I can do it better, but I'm not going to tell you how". Which is smug, and a bit disingenuous. Not exactly a troll post, but skating the edge.

Props to the OP, who had the courage to explain his spec and rotations. and stand up to the critique.

[Ax1om]

This coming from the person that can't kite a NB/RS, SIN/RS or riftblade...

You don't have to like the build. It does me fine. If you're going to say negative things about the build or me in general, why don't you give solutions.

So how do you plan kiting someone who can blink every 5 seconds, who can hit you from range almost as hard as in melee combat, who can use sidesteps to screw you for 15s?!
You have no defensive talents, all you can is try to run. HINT HINT HINT

[StrifeV]

So how do you plan kiting someone who can blink every 5 seconds, who can hit you from range almost as hard as in melee combat, who can use sidesteps to screw you for 15s?!
You have no defensive talents, all you can is try to run. HINT HINT HINT

I guess it's impossible.. you just stand there and put your head between your legs.

It would be nice if I had some teleports to get away from him.. It would be nice if I had a 70% run speed buff on a 20 second cooldown that I could reset the cooldown of once every couple minutes. It would be nice if every time someone attacked me I got a stacking 2% run speed buff that stacked like, 4-5 times or something.. that would be cool. It would be nice if every time I attacked someone i got a 5% run buff that stacked 4-5 times. It would be really awesome if every time I teleported, I got a 50% run buff for like, 4 seconds or something. It would be nice if I had a ground based AOE snare and a knock back to help get them out of my grill. It would be nice if I had an ability that I could use that would allow me to jump back 20 meters to get away. It would be nice if I had more range than them. Unfortunately I'm just wishing and hoping, so I just stand there and give them a free kill cause my build doesn't' have anything to deal with them.

[Ax1om]

I guess it's impossible.. you just stand there and put your head between your legs.

It would be nice if I had some teleports to get away from him.. It would be nice if I had a 70% run speed buff on a 20 second cooldown that I could reset the cooldown of once every couple minutes. It would be nice if every time someone attacked me I got a stacking 2% run speed buff that stacked like, 4-5 times or something.. that would be cool. It would be nice if every time I attacked someone i got a 5% run buff that stacked 4-5 times. It would be really awesome if every time I teleported, I got a 50% run buff for like, 4 seconds or something. It would be nice if I had a ground based AOE snare and a knock back to help get them out of my grill. It would be nice if I had an ability that I could use that would allow me to jump back 20 meters to get away. It would be nice if I had more range than them. Unfortunately I'm just wishing and hoping, so I just stand there and give them a free kill cause my build doesn't' have anything to deal with them.

It's a lost case.

[PVStar]

I guess it's impossible.. you just stand there and put your head between your legs.

It would be nice if I had some teleports to get away from him.. It would be nice if I had a 70% run speed buff on a 20 second cooldown that I could reset the cooldown of once every couple minutes. It would be nice if every time someone attacked me I got a stacking 2% run speed buff that stacked like, 4-5 times or something.. that would be cool. It would be nice if every time I attacked someone i got a 5% run buff that stacked 4-5 times. It would be really awesome if every time I teleported, I got a 50% run buff for like, 4 seconds or something. It would be nice if I had a ground based AOE snare and a knock back to help get them out of my grill. It would be nice if I had an ability that I could use that would allow me to jump back 20 meters to get away. It would be nice if I had more range than them. Unfortunately I'm just wishing and hoping, so I just stand there and give them a free kill cause my build doesn't' have anything to deal with them.

The sad thing is, none of that is going to do much against a NB/RS with 4-5 blinks. Run as much as you want, the only way you're going to get away is if you manage to make him blow all blinks and survive, and if you survive with absolutely no defense, you were fighting a bad rogue. It has little to do with your specific spec, it's the fact that as a MM you're a glass cannon. 1v1 a NB/RS is going to destroy you as a MM, accept it.

[StrifeV]

The sad thing is, none of that is going to do much against a NB/RS with 4-5 blinks. Run as much as you want, the only way you're going to get away is if you manage to make him blow all blinks and survive, and if you survive with absolutely no defense, you were fighting a bad rogue. It has little to do with your specific spec, it's the fact that as a MM you're a glass cannon. 1v1 a NB/RS is going to destroy you as a MM, accept it.

I guess I'm OP(sarcasm). I kill RS/NB's all the time. Not saying I never get killed by them... but I hold my own against them quite well. Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean it's a failure of the build.

[Zorel1]

Thank you so much for posting ... I am going to definitely give this spec and
macros a try!! Lots of good info. here from a very knowledgeable OP.
I only wish those who critique would offer more constructive advice.

[Greller]

Thanks for the great information. I use a similar strategy on a low level twink, and it is alot of fun.
I also have to admit, that Ax1om seem to have a valid point, even if I don't like his tone at all.
But from my point of view you are both right. Even if MM/RS has a lot of useful tools to try to escape, its not always working very well. Not in lower levels and I suppose also not when fully specced and in great gear. But that is only on 1 on 1.
In Group PvP the situation is different. There positioning is very useful, and the speed with which you can reach the desired place. I don't have to escape, sometime it is enough to get a quick help from my mates. Maybe a single nuke or a small heal is all I need to survive. And quick movement works also very well in other situations. That is when I see a party member in need or I have to get fast to a certain point to reach a higher goal then my own survival. Or if attacked leaving LOS only to come back from a completely surprising angle.
For me Speed is key and makes PvP highly entertaining