Tablets, Fervor, and Energy - Problems and Solutions

[Noshei]

Pretty much can assure you, I won't be responding to a new avatar based on fervor.

~Daglar

So I'm just wondering, is this change to Elder Tablets only going to effect rogues or are you removing mana regen from them as well?

[Muspel]

That might fix the regen issues of a Rogue, but they would in turn end up doing some dmg adjustments

Why? If they change energy costs or energy regen so that we basically have passive fervor, then there's no further adjustment necessary.

[Zyzyx]

What is the effect on bloodstalker dps who never has a chance of being energy starved? Constantly doing 2 at most 3 point final blows not having to worry about energy. You can't do that now for an extended period of time even with fervor and tablet. So how much would that increase BS dps?

Why would you use a 2 or 3 point final blow?

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-dps-spec.html - How much our DPS is affected.

[Taleon]

Why? If they change energy costs or energy regen so that we basically have passive fervor, then there's no further adjustment necessary.

The only way they could make that change, would to have it adjust out exactly as it does now. Meaning that in terms of a Rogue, they would be exactly in the same situation where they are currently. It would change nothing to the Rogue. Oh wait, would allow us to move faster because of run speed.
Basicly saying, we would still be energy starved.
If they increased regen of the Rogue beyond that of current Fervor, then we would have to lower dmg abilities so we did not do more dmg. Same dmg, just not out of energy

[Rizz]

Why would you use a 2 or 3 point final blow?

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-dps-spec.html - How much our DPS is affected.

You're still wrong on the 27 energy. It's 26.

[dalthium]

Why would you use a 2 or 3 point final blow?

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-dps-spec.html - How much our DPS is affected.

Haven't played bloodstalker in a while but to keep up expose weakness from 4 piece?

[Gynxz]

I play Sab when doing anything but ID bosses (or if needed by content or raid) because of the stupid starvation. Many people are happy Daglar spoke when All I saw was a, long due, confirmation that what Atrius said a long time ago was just Warrior related. We were never meant to have a QoL adjustment.

They will fix our $$ by addressing less than 20% of the problem. I don't count that as a victory.

[Yeyarogue]

What is the effect on bloodstalker dps who never has a chance of being energy starved? Constantly doing 2 at most 3 point final blows not having to worry about energy. You can't do that now for an extended period of time even with fervor and tablet. So how much would that increase BS dps?

Zyzyx already posted a quote that showed what Bloodstalker DPS would be with constant VoJ. That is probably the best someone can do on live atm. (in terms of testing energy regen)

[Vitto]

What's the warrior spec that needs LE? Is it 51/13/2?

[DTM300]

Why? If they change energy costs or energy regen so that we basically have passive fervor, then there's no further adjustment necessary.

You cannot adjust it so that we have passive fervor. It would make fervor 100% useless, in addition to having to change fervor entirely at that point.

[Puandro]

You cannot adjust it so that we have passive fervor. It would make fervor 100% useless, in addition to having to change fervor entirely at that point.

You mean like warriors when they got a passive reduction to power cost on their abilities months ago?

I can't disagree with Rogue Energy not being buffed so that we no longer need LE/Fervor and tablets when everytime i log on the PTS to test rotations and i see a warrior their power never runs out and they have no LE/Fervor or Tablet as they practice their specs, while i have to load my friends bard account and transfer some more tablets from Live.

[Kokie]

What's the warrior spec that needs LE? Is it 51/13/2?

Nope, It's Riftblade

[Zyzyx]

You're still wrong on the 27 energy. It's 26.

Got any numbers to back that up?

Haven't played bloodstalker in a while but to keep up expose weakness from 4 piece?

Ya, don't do this. You are just trading Final Blow damage for +EW damage on savage strike, BS, and puncture at the cost of more energy.

Rogue in my guild: "I just went through 6 hours of testing and I found that using low combo point final blows is a net loss."
Also afaik most if not all of the top parsing rogues do 5cp final blows. The only time I'd recommend using less than a 5 cp finisher is when impale is about to wear off.

[Yeyarogue]

A great day in history, someone from trion posting in the rogue forums!

[Haighttt]

I like either suggestion in the OP, support either.

Something that is better than what exists now.