PTS testing. What specs do you want me to test?

**Gery** · 04-12-2012 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Gyle

^ This, a lot of rogues don't make it a point to wait for 5/5 before SoD. It makes a big difference.

On a side note, Gambit, clear out your inbox damit

Waiting is almost as bad. You are supposed to manage your rotation so that you are at 5 combo points with 5/5 stacks on the second SoD comes out of cooldown.

**Gyle** · 04-12-2012 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by Gery

Waiting is almost as bad. You are supposed to manage your rotation so that you are at 5 combo points with 5/5 stacks on the second SoD comes out of cooldown.

Well with 5/5 points in heat retention it works out that way by default almost every time. What i am saying is that paying attention and going to a 6'th CP if you need to to get that extra stack of HR is a DPS increase. In fact, it can be a pretty significant one.

In NB there are 4 skills in your normal ST rotation that give more than just one CP, so it is pretty easy to end up on a finisher with only 4/5. For Blazing Strike it's not worth it to wait, since the entire point of a NB build is to Blazing Strike as much as possible. For SoD however, it really makes a big difference.

**Ruination** · 04-12-2012 10:17 AM

You need to manual a Fiery Spike just before or after SoD anyway so going to 6CP once every 4-5 SoD's is no big deal, 30% more SoD damage is far superior to whatever you could do with that 1 GCD.

**TroubleMagnet** · 04-12-2012 10:29 AM

I've been wondering if ditching some of the points in assassin for RS wouldn't be more DPS. Something like 49NB/9SIN/8RS trades the extra crit damage for more AP. My math says it's more damage, but I've only tried a 47NB/10MM/9SIN version that seemed about the same (maybe slightly more) than 49NB/17SIN. I'd love to use BD as a subsoul but unless they change blade finesse to work with SoD I can't see it working.

**Puandro** · 04-12-2012 01:33 PM

Im moving forward to test with ID gear after the MM changes roll in. Will just test with fervor and bard fanfares to make the tests easier to compare with other people. 1.8 is almost here!

**Gyle** · 04-12-2012 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by TroubleMagnet

I've been wondering if ditching some of the points in assassin for RS wouldn't be more DPS. Something like 49NB/9SIN/8RS trades the extra crit damage for more AP.

My math says it's more damage, but I've only tried a 47NB/10MM/9SIN version that seemed about the same (maybe slightly more) than 49NB/17SIN. I'd love to use BD as a subsoul but unless they change blade finesse to work with SoD I can't see it working.

If you are not going to go to 17 sin then you need to go 51 NB to pair it with anything. Sin is not worth the points unless you are going to go to 17 either, so if you wanted to try and make an AP heavy NB it would be 51 NB/ 10MM/ 5RS but that still wouldn't even come close to 49NB/17 sin.

If you are going to use a NB build other than 49/17 i would recommend 51nb/12bd/3RS it parses pretty close ST and parses much higher AoE, while carrying an interrupt and gap closer.

**Puandro** · 04-12-2012 03:20 PM

Serrated blades is too good to give up for any melee build.

**Puandro** · 04-12-2012 05:24 PM

**Gyle** · 04-12-2012 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Puandro

47 NB 17 Sin

ST
http://i.imgur.com/5UQnH.jpg (Finisher at 5 CP's)
http://i.imgur.com/ViNFB.jpg (SoD only with 5/5)
http://i.imgur.com/jZrJV.jpg (Fiery Chains above Primal Strike in the Macro)
AoE
http://i.imgur.com/k8rmO.jpg (SoD when it was up)
http://i.imgur.com/l773o.jpg (Fiery Spike on 1 dummy, Finisher every 5 CP's)

Assuming you mean 49 NB and you didn't have 2 unspent points

I am confused by your parentheticals here. In the parse where you did SoD with 5/5 every time did you not have fiery chains above primal strike? Because FC above Primal is a DPS gain always and forever, it should not be a separate test. You should be doing SoD only at 5/5 AND have FC above primal.

Your numbers are not representative if you don't ever test the spec the way it is optimally run.

Other than your NB test however, the rest looked pretty good, and the numbers are similar to what our guild rogues have been seeing. Thank's for doing the tests

**Mayi** · 04-12-2012 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Puandro

I am testing with full bard buffs and debuffs and piercing shot 3/3, VoY used on cooldown. Exquisite whetstones, cake, tablets, vials, 4 minute tests, 2 tests on each spec. Also testing AoE.

Gear is 2 Molten brands, DBPS, almost full BiS gear. Have 2 BiS sigils for melee and ranged with the greater. I have maxed T1 and T2 PAs for Guns and Daggers since this is what ill have access to on Live.

So just to be certain, is your bard using the extra damage debuffs in your parses plus exactly how many PAs do you have? Some of your parses seem a little high and some low depending on which buffs you're using.

**Puandro** · 04-12-2012 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gyle

Assuming you mean 49 NB and you didn't have 2 unspent points

I am confused by your parentheticals here. In the parse where you did SoD with 5/5 every time did you not have fiery chains above primal strike? Because FC above Primal is a DPS gain always and forever, it should not be a separate test. You should be doing SoD only at 5/5 AND have FC above primal.

Your numbers are not representative if you don't ever test the spec the way it is optimally run.

Other than your NB test however, the rest looked pretty good, and the numbers are similar to what our guild rogues have been seeing. Thank's for doing the tests

Correct only the 3rd test had FC (with no 5/5 for SoD unless it was up)

**Puandro** · 04-12-2012 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mayi

So just to be certain, is your bard using the extra damage debuffs in your parses plus exactly how many PAs do you have? Some of your parses seem a little high and some low depending on which buffs you're using.

Yes both debuffs and and 3/3 piercing was used in all tests.

**Its Me** · 04-12-2012 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lakkin

25% AP to combos, finishers, 15% AP

5% single target, 25% armor pen, 25% AP, Rapid Fire Shot, Electrified Munitions.

Nothing touches 15mm RFS is too good EM procs every hit and the bonuses are crazy for 15 points.

And ... EM has been buffed on PTS

**oDENNISo** · 04-13-2012 04:34 AM

I would like you to test:

51 MM / 10 Sin / 5 RS or 51 MM / 10 Ran / 5 RS

since the MM is scaling better on AP now.

**Mayi** · 04-13-2012 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by oDENNISo

I would like you to test:

51 MM / 10 Sin / 5 RS or 51 MM / 10 Ran / 5 RS

since the MM is scaling better on AP now.

When I tested them they were terrible. Weapon AP bonuses aren't used in the %ap buffs. I think they were doing around 2600.

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