The (un)official rogue 1.8 anticipation/feedback thread

[Vyxagallanxchi]

Didn't think he would come through. Traps are bad, bombs need to be better than charges since they don't add cp and have CDs.

Delayed/bleed damage shouldn't be the main type of damage. It should be the best for longer fights, but there needs to be heavy straight up AE damage as an option as well.

Am I missing the synergy stuff or has that not been added yet?

No new synergy but BD synergy is dead since Deadly dance only applies to 3 charges now.

[RickWolford]

Don't extend Motif duration for crap sake... Raid Bard play is boring as it is...

[Enaki]

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if we got a internal build that was not yet ready for PTS. Say what you will, but Ailion is usually really good about letting us know that the first round of changes are coming and what they will include. This obviously did not happen this time. Tacitus and ExcelsiorH were pushing patches out for the Carnival and I wouldn't be surprised if these were unintentionally released in the process.

In this case I'm glad it happened since it gave us a chance to see what was being thought, but until told otherwise we should be open minded that additional changes are coming down the pipe (hopefully soul synergy and a sped up charge rotation).

[Taraern]

yeah but embers is still useless. Bard can apply a 7% aoe debuff with ease while sab is max 5 and requires 5 charges.

Embers stacks with the bard buff.

It would however compete with the Inquisitor Clinging Spirit(Soul Drain applies it AoE style)

So it has some use.. depending on raid comp etc..

[Vyxagallanxchi]

If the goal was indeed more synergy, more changes have to come down the pipe. As it stands, there's currently less synergy lol.

[SolitaireSurrender]

If the goal was indeed more synergy, more changes have to come down the pipe. As it stands, there's currently less synergy lol.

Are charges still considered poisons or did we lose that synergy with Sin? That is if those points even mattered.

[Vyxagallanxchi]

Are charges still considered poisons or did we lose that synergy with Sin? That is if those points even mattered.

Not sure. Zyzyx posted that cleanses only seem to remove one charge as opposed to all so I would assume that they are still poisons. Requires some testing.

[Vyxagallanxchi]

Damnable edit timer...

Just checked and Sabo charges do appear to still be considered poisons. The sin talent does work for them still.

[SolitaireSurrender]

Not sure. Zyzyx posted that cleanses only seem to remove one charge as opposed to all so I would assume that they are still poisons. Requires some testing.

Hmmm...too bad they cannot gain the coating enchantments as well. An extra 75% AP could be interesting.

[Vyxagallanxchi]

That and Baneful Touch lol. Just have to wait and see I guess.

[Zyzyx]

Are charges still considered poisons or did we lose that synergy with Sin? That is if those points even mattered.

The talent you are thinking about still gave my blast charge about 100-150 damage.

[Tigolbitties]

Initial #'s from the new sab crystal with fervor + two fine whetstones (8 DPS), 4 set HK, r8 gun/daggers:
Spec was 46/20/0 (Live ranged sab build).

Standing in melee to get the Sin bleed stacks, it does about 2k single target with the above buffs using the rotation Spike->Caltrop->Blast. Caltrop ended up being about 30-50 DPS higher than blast charges in this fashion.

Standing only at range brought it down to the 1900's range.

AoE damage is crazy, but... well it takes way too long for all the bleeds to tick, so it's moot point tbh.

[SolitaireSurrender]

The talent you are thinking about still gave my blast charge about 100-150 damage.

Well, what little synergy we did have (not talking about Deadly Dance) still exists. Now push it a step forward and add some more with Sin. Baneful Touch and Poison Mastery could make life a lot better for Sabs.

[SolitaireSurrender]

Initial #'s from the new sab crystal with fervor + two fine whetstones (8 DPS), 4 set HK, r8 gun/daggers:
Spec was 46/20/0 (Live ranged sab build).

Standing in melee to get the Sin bleed stacks, it does about 2k single target with the above buffs using the rotation Spike->Caltrop->Blast. Caltrop ended up being about 30-50 DPS higher than blast charges in this fashion.

Standing only at range brought it down to the 1900's range.

AoE damage is crazy, but... well it takes way too long for all the bleeds to tick, so it's moot point tbh.

So, what we have so far is Estrode will go faster. (Unless your guild is already using Nightblade.)

It's a step, be it a small one. Let's put on our running shoes now shall we?

[Durango]

So, what we have so far is Estrode will go faster. (Unless your guild is already using Nightblade.)

It's a step, be it a small one. Let's put on our running shoes now shall we?

Yeah cause a long duration everything is AoE soul is going to be just AWESOME when you or anyone with you know gets mind controlled.