Upcoming Rogue changes for 1.7

[ShalarLight]

I don't always run 65 pt builds, but when I do... I use yours.

Thinking MM would probably be better. Offset is 46 AP flat vs. 20% from MM, and 5% less crit.

lol, ya i knew i had that 8 in ranger! 18 sin, 8 ranger, thinking mm is better too (ranger prob better at the gear levels i built this at)

[Gyle]

If that's true, given all rotations, puncture would only be used/useful when PS is down?

So on the QS->Keen->QS rotation?

Is PS up every other rotation? I'm thinking, not sure, you're going to still have 1 rotation without puncture and PS? Is that right?

Just tested it, and it works perfectly.

QS>KS>QS>KS>Punct>DS
PS>KS>QS>KS>DS

The exception being dualism where you just QS>KS>QS>KS>DS and ignore how many CP's you have.

thats the best ST rotation for 10 sin, i am reasonably sure.

[ShalarLight]

Just tested it, and it works perfectly.

QS>KS>QS>KS>Punct>DS
PS>KS>QS>KS>DS

The exception being dualism where you just QS>KS>QS>KS>DS and ignore how many CP's you have.

thats the best ST rotation for 10 sin, i am reasonably sure.

sounds pretty tight, i might try some 51 bd, never gone up that high.

[gnaa]

QS>KS>QS>KS>Punct>DS
PS>KS>QS>KS>DS

tbh this is so much BS.
Why would you waste a cp of puncture ? ( as a 51bd, puncture is the only reason to get some points into *** )

better go for
punc>qs>ks>ks>ds
ps>ks>qs>ks>ds
or
qs>ks>qs>ks>ks>ds
ps>ks>qs>ks>ds

don't forget to get a macro for weaponswap to your better weapon in offhand ( e.g. relic vs dagger )
within 10 seconds i loose 1 global when i macro QS/PS with KS.

and

SB is soo overrated.
Puncture is the only reason to skill ***.

can't parse higher than 2k with bd ( 2,3 with assstalker )
No buffs just bardaura + stones

[Koe]

QS>KS>QS>KS>Punct>DS
PS>KS>QS>KS>DS

tbh this is so much BS.
Why would you waste a cp of puncture ? ( as a 51bd, puncture is the only reason to get some points into *** )

You waste a CP because it's better than using a second keen.

You always want 5 CP Deadly Strike.

You ALWAYS want 2 Quick/Precision strikes for DD, and nothing else.

SB is NOT overrated.

[Gyle]

QS>KS>QS>KS>Punct>DS
PS>KS>QS>KS>DS

tbh this is so much BS.
Why would you waste a cp of puncture ? ( as a 51bd, puncture is the only reason to get some points into *** )

better go for
punc>qs>ks>ks>ds
ps>ks>qs>ks>ds
or
qs>ks>qs>ks>ks>ds
ps>ks>qs>ks>ds

don't forget to get a macro for weaponswap to your better weapon in offhand ( e.g. relic vs dagger )
within 10 seconds i loose 1 global when i macro QS/PS with KS.

and

SB is soo overrated.
Puncture is the only reason to skill ***.

can't parse higher than 2k with bd ( 2,3 with assstalker )
No buffs just bardaura + stones

Pretty much everything you say here is wrong. First of all, at 51 points in BD your QS and PS hit WAY harder than puncture, so if you are EVER using Puncture in place of a QS or PS you need reevaluate your math skills. You are not wasting a CP on puncture, you are using Puncture as your 5'th attack because it certainly hits harder than Keen Strike. That's it. Also, SB is not overrated, SB procs on crits, and in BD you crit on almost every attack. It's a lot more damage than you think.

As for weapon swapping, weapon swap macro's lose too much time IMO, i have thought of putting my higher DPS weapon in my offhand when running BD, but i haven't tested it out.

[Mayi]

Pretty much everything you say here is wrong. First of all, at 51 points in BD your QS and PS hit WAY harder than puncture, so if you are EVER using Puncture in place of a QS or PS you need reevaluate your math skills. You are not wasting a CP on puncture, you are using Puncture as your 5'th attack because it certainly hits harder than Keen Strike. That's it. Also, SB is not overrated, SB procs on crits, and in BD you crit on almost every attack. It's a lot more damage than you think.

As for weapon swapping, weapon swap macro's lose too much time IMO, i have thought of putting my higher DPS weapon in my offhand when running BD, but i haven't tested it out.

I'm going to test the BD tonight, it's been a while since I've looked at it. I'd be surprised if KS > puncture though. The initial hit sure, but with all the dot ticks it adds up to quite a bit. It's one of.. or the best combo builder in game from back when I tested melee buids a lot.

With another tier of equipment things might have changed... heh, it's been a while since 1.5.

[Adnoz]

I'm going to test the BD tonight, it's been a while since I've looked at it. I'd be surprised if KS > puncture though. The initial hit sure, but with all the dot ticks it adds up to quite a bit. It's one of.. or the best combo builder in game from back when I tested melee buids a lot.

With another tier of equipment things might have changed... heh, it's been a while since 1.5.

KS isnt > puncture, thats exactly what he said.
Puncture has absolutely nothing on 51BD QS/PS though.

[Koe]

i have thought of putting my higher DPS weapon in my offhand when running BD, but i haven't tested it out.

It's a DPS loss.

[Gyle]

I'm going to test the BD tonight, it's been a while since I've looked at it. I'd be surprised if KS > puncture though. The initial hit sure, but with all the dot ticks it adds up to quite a bit. It's one of.. or the best combo builder in game from back when I tested melee buids a lot.

With another tier of equipment things might have changed... heh, it's been a while since 1.5.

Not KS, Puncture hits harder than Keen Strike for sure, but its not even close on Quick Strike/Precision Strike. My Puncture crits for 1100 in 51 BD if used during DD, where my QS crits for 2400ish. Not even remotely close, and there is no way its dot ticks for an extra 1300 damage

[gnaa]

Highest NB mudantix Parse is for sb is 240dps (7% of total damage), 25% armor pen = ~ 8% dmg.

if gear gets better sb gets worse , theres no real scaling on it. Thats why i say sb is overrated.

[gnaa]

As for weapon swapping, weapon swap macro's lose too much time IMO, i have thought of putting my higher DPS weapon in my offhand when running BD, but i haven't tested it out.

not loosing one ms when swapping mh with oh.
it's not like the warrior one where you have to wait like 0,5 secs.

[Atheres]

Highest NB mudantix Parse is for sb is 240dps (7% of total damage), 25% armor pen = ~ 8% dmg.

if gear gets better sb gets worse , theres no real scaling on it. Thats why i say sb is overrated.

Serrated blades scales with the weapon dps for your information.

[gnaa]

ok your right.
so all our pas would increas our sb by 19,2 dps gr8 scaling...

[SiliconShadow]

ok your right.
so all our pas would increas our sb by 19,2 dps gr8 scaling...

Weapon dps is a multiplicative effect not linear against skill damage and ap, ergo it will scale very well indeed.