Upcoming Rogue changes for 1.7

[Zeypher]

In a bloodstalker build, poisons are roughly 500 dps. EW is roughly 500dps. SB is several hundred DPS. Punct/Impale are on the order of 200-300 each. That's close to 2K DPS in passives and dots.

If our poisons are buffed, and EW fixed...our single target should be on par with warriors eh?

[Zyzyx]

When was the last time they reverted anything that major after it went live. Developers dont like to admit they made a mistake.

warrior pvp nerfs

It's 25 vs 15 isn't it ?
On mobs that requires more than 1 finisher (let's say 2 so you ll have the rift scavenger to its full effect) it's slightly better.

You are comparing 1 point in cc to 3 points in ce.

Nope 25 vs 5. You see combat culmination gives you 5 energy per cp on mob when it dies. Since you need rift scavenger heals anyways and should be leaving 5 cps on the target when you kill it 5x5=25 energy. If that same point is in combat efficiency it gives you 1 energy per combo point when you use a finisher. That means that talent point in CE is only giving you 5 energy more. While my build obviously has 2 points in CE and I definitely think it is useful cc is good too. I use an average of 1 or 2 finishers per pack of mobs. We could argue over details and say its 50-60 energy vs 10 ,but it's close enough. Combat culmination is really good and deserves putting at least one point in your bd/sin/rs build.

There is no BD energy regen nerf. There is a Zyzyx uses subpar specs in content that doesn't matter nerf.

If you take away the energy regeneration from combat culmination there most definitely is an energy regeneration nerf.

Maybe you should try specs before immediately discounting them. I use the best specs I can and don't understand how you can say 50+ zone content doesn't matter.

[Vindicit]

warrior pvp nerfs

They werent completely reverted.

[Durango]

If our poisons are buffed, and EW fixed...our single target should be on par with warriors eh?

For BS it will be close depending on how they fix the EW issue (1 proc per SB vs 3x proc damage per EW, the later will be a massive DPS increase of roughly 150-200 DPS, the prior will be about 100 DPS).

Poisons all depends on how much they buff them. total they are roughly 500 DPS currently. Non-AP based damage is roughly 150-200 DPS total, which leaves 300 DPS from AP in a BS build. Figure about 1.4-1.5x the %AP contribution increase in DPS so for +50% increase and assuming ~1700 buffed AP, we are looking at around 120-130 DPS increase. Will hopefully have better numbers tomorrow, this is all from memory.

[Durango]

If you take away the energy regeneration from combat culmination there most definitely is an energy regeneration nerf.

For the rare zyzyx build that actually uses it. For build people actually use, its pretty nada, since noone uses it anyways.

Maybe you should try specs before immediately discounting them. I use the best specs I can and don't understand how you can say 50+ zone content doesn't matter.

Because I can already handle getting PAs better than you apparently. Putting points into CC is a PA per hour loss.

[Gery]

For the rare zyzyx build that actually uses it. For build people actually use, its pretty nada, since noone uses it anyways.



Because I can already handle getting PAs better than you apparently. Putting points into CC is a PA per hour loss.

Combat Culmination is great for solo grinding. It's only useless for raids. 2 points in it takes care of all energy troubles and gives some crit and defence too. It's by no means required for soloing but dismissing it as useless means you have not even tried it.

[Koe]

I just want to emphasize again:


DO NOT BUFF ASSASSIN UNTIL EW IS FIXED!


Buff the healing of the poison, sure, but the damage does not need to be buffed.

[Adnoz]

I just want to emphasize again:


DO NOT BUFF ASSASSIN UNTIL EW IS FIXED
Buff the healing of the poison, sure, but the damage does not need to be buffed.

More nonsense from koe (surprise!).

[Koe]

Combat Culmination is great for solo grinding. It's only useless for raids. 2 points in it takes care of all energy troubles and gives some crit and defence too. It's by no means required for soloing but dismissing it as useless means you have not even tried it.

It is useless because you don't have energy troubles when soloing, as long as you use a rotation and don't use 2 2 CP builders in the same rotation.

http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...g0dG0cM.VckIzR


You have 1 point left over, and I prefer either Sprint, Blade Tempo, Ambidextrous, or Physical Trauma.

[Koe]

More nonsense from koe (surprise!).

Surprise!


We don't need to be doing mage DPS.

We're competitive with warriors.

[Adnoz]

Surprise!


We don't need to be doing mage DPS.

We're competitive with warriors.

No we aren't. Even if we take Qan's bugged 4400 parse, that's 100 behind warriors who don't have a relic. How is this competitive?

[Koe]

No we aren't. Even if we take Qan's bugged 4400 parse, that's 100 behind warriors who don't have a relic. How is this competitive?

-Add in EW fix.

[Adnoz]

-Add in EW fix.

and we're 100 behind relic warriors
Still not competitive

[Koe]

-Add in EW fix.

Oh, and not to mention every week Bloodstalker parses have been steadily increasing, not to mention being within 3-4% within warriors is competitive(taking Sicaron parses).

Murd, taking highest parses, is almost 7% behind for us. Without the EW fix.

[Koe]

and we're 100 behind relic warriors
Still not competitive

We can't use your almost 4.7k Warrior parse.

It was abusingCrushing Runeshard, which Maximation could not do.