Riftstalker - Hotfix Changes ... throw us a bone, please

[Zaros]

Right cause the probability that he figured something out that no one else has is zero. Got it....

I don't know what annoys me more...your apt usage of out-of-context-annoying-as-hell smilies, or your utter ignorance towards Rogue tanks.

[Galibier]

Still essentially unable to tank Sicaron. Most other fights I can handle, but as was pointed out earlier, why? You lose spotters, and Wars take less damage anyways.

Well I am betting a friend a bottle of scotch that Warriors lose spotters come 1.6 as a way of dealing with this issue and NOT having to give similar utility to Rogues etc. Why? Anyone else notice that currently on PTS Archons have had Spotters literally cut and pasted onto them? Makes you wonder doesn't it?

[Hellebron]

Actually I think if they just gave a spotters ability to another class it would be fine. Change Wild growth so you can keep it up 100% or something. Then War tanks wouldn't be unique snowflakes anymore.

And I may have to take back that comment...I'm tanking him this week.

[Ianto Jones]

Actually I think if they just gave a spotters ability to another class it would be fine. Change Wild growth so you can keep it up 100% or something. Then War tanks wouldn't be unique snowflakes anymore.

I think that's what they're doing actually. On PTS they've given Spotter's to Archons, and the Warrior dev said to-day:

We are aware that threat generation is having issues in scalability and in the ability for tanks to quickly grab a lot of threat on a group of mobs. We are also aware that currently the only real way to do this is with Spotter's Orders, and while that is a useful tool we would like to spread the usefullness out to other Souls and Abilities.

A bit vague, so I guess we'll see.

Also, ISN'T IT COOL HOW THE WARRIOR DEV ACTUALLY RESPONDS TO CONCERNS??

[Zaros]

Warrior dev response to a "Where art thou?" thread:

I am still here reading the forums, though sometimes it does take a while to respond. I am currently still going through bugs that people are reporting on the forum and hunting them down for termination. The threads that the forum community regularly puts up listing issues that concern them has been of immeasurable usefulness to me and I hope you will all continue in that effort.

I may not be able to respond to every issue as I am working through, but rest assured I will be looking at them even if I don't poke my head up to say that I am. For example, I am currently spending a lot of time on threat, but I won't be able to respond to every threat based thread that pops up. So I will leave it at this. We are aware that threat generation is having issues in scalability and in the ability for tanks to quickly grab a lot of threat on a group of mobs. We are also aware that currently the only real way to do this is with Spotter's Orders, and while that is a useful tool we would like to spread the usefullness out to other Souls and Abilities.

Rogue dev response to a "Where art thou?" thread:

Yes. I'm watching. So keep posting your feedback.

Truly fits the classes, no?

[Hellebron]

Reminds me of when I was in school, sleeping, and a teacher would call on me. Cut to fumbling for an excuse.

[Zaros]

Reminds me of when I was in school, sleeping, and a teacher would call on me. Cut to fumbling for an excuse.

An excuse? Like "Uhhh..I like..Wasn't able to fix rogue tanking in the patch that was supposed to fix rogues, so it'll be in a hotfix later on."

I'm a teenager.. My teachers would NEVER fall for that crap when I turn a paper in late. Not once.

[Zayrinoke]

So, I was one of the first big-time theory-crafting Riftstalkers here on these boards. Just started playing again after a 5 month hiatus. God lord have things gotten better. While I haven't gotten back into end-game, I must say things have drastically improved since my last time here.

I should probably remove the links in my signature at some point, so outdated.

[Trephination]

Clerics and Wars can't tank Darktide? He's slower then a turtle in that phase... Or do you mean the Water Elemental? Either way.

Garau is fine for Riftstalker currently, but it's not like we're the best at it or anything. War mitigates the magic damage better in the first place, and also has CDs. Singularity should be available for nearly every beam and you still have Paladin full heal and Fusion of Flesh.

People always incorrectly figure where the damage is coming from in Matron. The Children of Night do only 1 ability: Wrath of the Night, a weak death magic attack. As Riftstalker, this is completely laughable, since it does like 30% less damage to us vs a War using a physical mitigation spec. Assuming the other tank taunts Matron when Children spawn, as he should, you will have no problem tanking the adds without CDs.

The thing that WILL kill you in Matron are her massive melee hits. In this parse you can see over the fight I took nearly 3 times as much damage from her melee hits vs our equally geared guild War tank. The only reason I probly survive this fight at all is that Ichor is mitigated very well by Riftstalker.

http://www.raidrifts.com/report/view...511454/559180/

Not trying to knock you at all, I agree Matron puts out big melee hits at high stacks. However, if you look at your own parse, you died twice during the encounter and both deaths were due to a sequence of melee hits from the 30 adds as I hinted at in my first post. The death timestamps under your name show this. You didn't seem to have any problem whatsoever with the heavy/slow melee hits from Maton herself in the case you referenced.

In our experience, if you just save side steps for every add phase, then pop planar refuge a few seconds later to overlap them you'll never die.

Also, I'm not saying a warrior or cleric can't tank every encounter a RS can. The point is that a RS is arguably the best choice for progression on the fights I mentioned.

Edit: here is the link to your death timestamps if that wasn't already made clear: http://www.raidrifts.com/report/view...511454/559180/

[Hellebron]

Not trying to knock you at all, I agree Matron puts out big melee hits at high stacks. However, if you look at your own parse, you died twice during the encounter and both deaths were due to a sequence of melee hits from the 30 adds as I hinted at in my first post. The death timestamps under your name show this. You didn't seem to have any problem whatsoever with the heavy/slow melee hits from Maton herself in the case you referenced.

In our experience, if you just save side steps for every add phase, then pop planar refuge a few seconds later to overlap them you'll never die.

Also, I'm not saying a warrior or cleric can't tank every encounter a RS can. The point is that a RS is arguably the best choice for progression on the fights I mentioned.

Edit: here is the link to your death timestamps if that wasn't already made clear: http://www.raidrifts.com/report/view...511454/559180/

That's mostly cause I'm an idiot and taunted at the wrong time.

I hardly ever tank anymore so I screwed up. I didn't die from adds. I died because I was tanking matron while tanking adds.

Like I said you're sposed to switch tanks when adds spawn, it was simply my mistake. It was only one death too, thank you very much!

[Muffin911]

That's mostly cause I'm an idiot and taunted at the wrong time.

I hardly ever tank anymore so I screwed up. I didn't die from adds. I died because I was tanking matron while tanking adds.

Like I said you're sposed to switch tanks when adds spawn, it was simply my mistake. It was only one death too, thank you very much!

Yeah I noticed Mr. Bard in the Akylios video. I just can't fathom playing bard it's so boring but someone in the raid has to do it.

[Hellebron]

Yeah I noticed Mr. Bard in the Akylios video. I just can't fathom playing bard it's so boring but someone in the raid has to do it.

I actually turned my Water resist tank sigil into a Water resist bard sigil.

Made me want to shoot myself in the face.