Thanks for the buff, but it's time to tone it down a notch.

[Raitoken]

Maybe its the fact that spamming Fan Out is actually netting people 25 kills a match >.>

That needs to be fixed like asap

No, its netting 25 KB.

The other rogue who focused someone and the warrior smashing face and the mage AoEing just got them to 5% where a fan out finished them off. No one is going 100% to dead from fanout unless they are afk.

[Tundy]

No, its netting 25 KB.

The other rogue who focused someone and the warrior smashing face and the mage AoEing just got them to 5% where a fan out finished them off. No one is going 100% to dead from fanout unless they are afk.

Well my fan out hits harder than my single target... 600 fan out + 350 EM. Who needs a finisher when ur hitting 5 people rofl.

[sanosuke]

Well my fan out hits harder than my single target... 600 fan out + 350 EM. Who needs a finisher when ur hitting 5 people rofl.

which is why everyone is just sitting there spamming it.. its sad really MM is now easier to play than warrior

[Tundy]

which is why everyone is just sitting there spamming it.. its sad really MM is now easier to play than warrior

Needs a fix naow plz

[Zyzyx]

While I have enjoyed the Rogue buffs for the past few days(I'm entitled to it, I've sat through all the other class buffs) I do think it is time to change some things so people will stop complaining.

Number one would be Fell Blades and Vampiric Munitions. Although when it procs on one target it barely does any healing, if your aoe spamming them with weapon flare or fan out the healing becomes substantial. I think this needs to be changed so you can only have it up on one target at a time. When you switch targets it changes to that target and instead of the 20% chance to proc it should be 100%.

This is it actually. This is the only thing that I found to be OP with Rogues(I play a NB, Sin, MM, Bard, and BD).

Of course these are PvP changes only. If any other Rogue out there has any PvP or PvE changes to add to the list, by all means post them.

you say it yourself it barely does any healing

[Blakjak02]

No, its netting 25 KB.

The other rogue who focused someone and the warrior smashing face and the mage AoEing just got them to 5% where a fan out finished them off. No one is going 100% to dead from fanout unless they are afk.

Perhaps on several kills that happened.. but as it was stated above.. Im hitting 700 dmg with fanout per person, per second. I think i would rather sacrifice my finisher to slowly kill 3 targets and weaken 3 other targets receiving damage from other melee rogues (and heals from their heals... nom nom nom VM) than kill everyone one by one lol. Also, dont forget EM on my primary target.. I like to throw in a barbed shot if they are gonna run. Barbed shot hits really hard now.

Marksman's damage is very high and I dont think the problems with it are just with VM's healing its with my 3k RFS, 700SS+300 EM and 35m range.

Just because you don't like marksman, nor play it does not mean that people who LIKE to play it are all baddies. Of course i know you didnt say here or am i specifically referring to you but theres a common misconception that people who play marksman to pvp are bad at rogue. Been said before: Bad rogues will be bad. Hell, when/if I'm playing marksman and theres a couple mm on the other teams and i purge them and they dont notice and put theyre munitions back thats when i know theyre "FOTM Rogue Baddies"...

[Koe]

Well my fan out hits harder than my single target... 600 fan out + 350 EM. Who needs a finisher when ur hitting 5 people rofl.

So how about them 51 Warlock DS mages?


Not a knock on mages, just saying that mages do it better.




Also, you need a finisher because finishing off 1 person is sometimes better than hurting 5.

[Vember]

This is it actually. This is the only thing that I found to be OP with Rogues(I play a NB, Sin, MM, Bard, and BD).

MM burst is much too high, in my opinion as a bard. I'm used to getting bursted down by warriors and melee rogues, but now I get burst down by MM's just as fast if not faster, from 35m. To me that's absolutely ridiculous.

[Vember]

You are all missing the point.

We need the heals, and if the other team is going to group up and cross heal, they pay for it.

Duh?

Don't touch my VM, go crawl back in your holes.

Kind of defeats the purpose of bards, doesn't it?

[Azzy]

This makes sense as long as every other calling can only keep leeches, dots, or procs on a single target as well. That sounds like a lot of fun.

So lingering wounds would also heal 50% and have 100% application if only single target? SIGN ME IN!! Oh btw also make em root ability and not cost 2 soul points like now.

[Liang Nuren]

Yeah I agree with you. Fanout is quite effective in Port Scion, and sometimes in the new wf (w/e the name).

Back to the thread topic--- Vampiric Munitions NEEDS to be either siphoning less, not spreading to ae targets and/or moved up in the tree. Don't quite think fellblades needs to be changed as weapon flare is quite a bit weaker than fan out and youre not pewpewing from 35meters away.

I do enjoy using fanout w/ VM in scion though as it DOES help to some extent while racking up the stats

I pew pew from 35m with Fell Blades. Note the fell blades procs off Fan Out.

-Liang

[Thickness]

This thread is utter garbage. Good players take off my vamp munition buff 6-7 times during one life cycle, it is a pain having to keep reapplying my buff because someone keeps removing it. I am talking about purging the buff off of me so I can't apply it to other players. Now because rogues are competitive everyone wants to cry about it being OP, if you want a challenge why don't you make some funky crap spec since you seem so inclined to value such "skill" over spec. You clearly want to play a cookie cutter spec and than complain about lack of skill involved?

[Selo]

Its not really that its that op

Its mostly that cleric/mage healers havent had to worry about cleansing enemies, they still survived with -50% healing easily, and since rogues didnt really spam it for aoe before, the life is not rofl easy for healers anymore
they cant farm free favor pushing one button to reapply HoT:s while jumping around and loling at their enemies

It can be a bit to powerful IF its not removed from the rogue. If I see a rogue standing there spamming fan out, i remove their vampiric with eredicate, and they drop like a stone.

It should probably be toned a little bit (not the aoe 50% healing bit) but you cant just change it to a single target one, then its pretty much useless.

enemy gets healed for 1000-your 50% heal = 500, you get healed for 50% of that = 250, and heals dont go of that often on one person, so 250 is almost nothing.

Maybe lower it so it can only be up on max 3 targets or something

[Raiga]

Now because rogues are competitive everyone wants to cry about it being OP, if you want a challenge why don't you make some funky crap spec since you seem so inclined to value such "skill" over spec. You clearly want to play a cookie cutter spec and than complain about lack of skill involved?

Huh...?

I don't think your understanding the point of this thread or what I'm saying. Lemme break it down for you.

I didn't say Rogues were OP. I said FB/VM CAN be OP when AoE spammed. I think the rest of the changes we got are great.

[Zyzyx]

Huh...?

I don't think your understanding the point of this thread or what I'm saying. Lemme break it down for you.

I didn't say Rogues were OP. I said FB/VM CAN be OP when AoE spammed. I think the rest of the changes we got are great.

How are they OP?

How can you imagine something being OP when the cleric can get FOUR TIMES the amount of heals it gives the rogue. Are you suggesting cleric healing is OP?