New fell blades is... well just amazing

[Jibikaorift]

There needs to be some opportunity cost or positive brain function associated with applying a healing reduction / leech effect. Vampiric works the same as fell blades, and it's simply overpowering coupled with MM mobility and more steady damage against all types of targets.

I'd love to see changes to ALL these MS / leech effects - they need to have a cooldown longer than their duration (non-dispellable), and that includes lingering wounds, and the black dot looking thing from dom that I can't remember and don't care to look up. Make it a decision, not perma-spam.

I can see healers throwing in the towel if everyone has permanent MS and they're helping us by saving themselves.

Yes, I'm a rogue. R8. I'm currently overpowered and willing to state that for the sake of the game.

Maybe the % and chance is too high but I think the change is to counter those Healers that just mindlessly heal even when they don't need to. Every class has damaging spells. Of all the support types, I think Bard has the worst dps. If my Bard can throw some Coda of Fury, so can Cleric and Mages. I am pretty sure they have way more awesome damage spells.

This change makes me a bit worried too because I have the habit of just spamming Coda of Restoration simply because my Coda of Fury's damage is not impressive and I rather just keep the healing up.

[Liang Nuren]

I can see healers throwing in the towel if everyone has permanent MS and they're helping us by saving themselves.

I'm sure there'll always be new ranks of R1-R2 players that are accustomed to playing healer through the lower levels to take any whining scrub's place that throws in the towel. Its such a brain dead simple job to be a healer compared to how hard it is to be a DPS. We all know that god mode healers self heal thousands of HPS while bunny hopping around /lol'ing anyway and are easily able to tank 5-10 HK geared raid buffed DPS players while heal debuffed.

-Liang

[VodkaCooler]

So does unstable state apply to poison as well? does anyone know?

[sanosuke]

been playing around with this more and in some ways its a little OP but not too bad. Basically now though I have been tearing chloro's up and not to bad against clerics as well.. before most would just throw up some dots out heal my damage and laugh at me.. but now I am able to lay on some decent damage and find myself at full health as they struggle to heal themselves through my damage which seems they can't anymore for the most part..

[Voldor]

been playing around with this more and in some ways its a little OP but not too bad. Basically now though I have been tearing chloro's up and not to bad against clerics as well.. before most would just throw up some dots out heal my damage and laugh at me.. but now I am able to lay on some decent damage and find myself at full health as they struggle to heal themselves through my damage which seems they can't anymore for the most part..

what souls are u running?!

[sanosuke]

what souls are u running?!

lol i been changing specs like every 5 min seeing what i like the best.. i see tons of NB/RS out there.. it seems its the age of the rogue in the bubble since everyone has rift barrier:P ill post a guide or something once I settle in on a build

[Conundrum]

I would tell you guys what build I am running.....

But not on these forums!

[Sorovos]

been playing around with this more and in some ways its a little OP but not too bad. Basically now though I have been tearing chloro's up and not to bad against clerics as well.. before most would just throw up some dots out heal my damage and laugh at me.. but now I am able to lay on some decent damage and find myself at full health as they struggle to heal themselves through my damage which seems they can't anymore for the most part..

So let me see if I get this straight.

Rogues have been talking about how extremely oped Chloro's are for month's, How you can't beat them ect ect....

Now you're tearing up what most of you called the most oped 1v1 class in the game, It's perfectly balanced?

It's not overpowered if it's your class that's on top... That's basically what Rogues are saying.

[sanosuke]

So let me see if I get this straight.

Rogues have been talking about how extremely oped Chloro's are for month's, How you can't beat them ect ect....

Now you're tearing up what most of you called the most oped 1v1 class in the game, It's perfectly balanced?

It's not overpowered if it's your class that's on top... That's basically what Rogues are saying.

depends on the chloro spec.. most go chlorolock or chlorodom for pvp and not going to say good chlorolock can't destroy a rogue but now the playing field isn't as great. Before we really had no spec to counter those type of builds since our damage output was subpar and we had no self healing. With fell blades/vamp those classes that relied on doting us up and self healing themselves are going to have a much tougher time. Now not saying they won't find a way to counter but since everything is new we have an advantage right now. I just played about 10 more WF's testing out fell blades and I still can get dropped pretty fast when focused on..
Main thing that's sort of OP about it is spreading it to several people and no one cleansing it... but overall it isn't game breaking..

[Sorovos]

depends on the chloro spec.. most go chlorolock or chlorodom for pvp and not going to say good chlorolock can't destroy a rogue but now the playing field isn't as great. Before we really had no spec to counter those type of builds since our damage output was subpar and we had no self healing. With fell blades/vamp those classes that relied on doting us up and self healing themselves are going to have a much tougher time. Now not saying they won't find a way to counter but since everything is new we have an advantage right now. I just played about 10 more WF's testing out fell blades and I still can get dropped pretty fast when focused on..
Main thing that's sort of OP about it is spreading it to several people and no one cleansing it... but overall it isn't game breaking..

So....It's balanced because you can be focused and killed....like every other class in the game...

You just stated you crushed Chloro's now.. I pointed this out, and now you're trying to walk it back.

Cat's already out of the bag mate, You bragged about being Oped, got called on it, and now it's out there.

Like I stated on the PTS, Rogues were going to get overbuffed and made OPed, it's happened to every other calling in this game. However you must be blind to not see you're going to eat a Massive Nerf very soon after it.

it's like all those moronic mages who said Pyromancers were fine, If you played a pyromancer, you knew it wasn't fine. Some of us tried to at least get it balanced and not gutted.

It took pushing almost back to Red Bauble level spell power with Rank 8 Gear to remotely make the spec viable again.

[sanosuke]

So....It's balanced because you can be focused and killed....like every other class in the game...

You just stated you crushed Chloro's now.. I pointed this out, and now you're trying to walk it back.

Cat's already out of the bag mate, You bragged about being Oped, got called on it, and now it's out there.

Like I stated on the PTS, Rogues were going to get overbuffed and made OPed, it's happened to every other calling in this game. However you must be blind to not see you're going to eat a Massive Nerf very soon after it.

it's like all those moronic mages who said Pyromancers were fine, If you played a pyromancer, you knew it wasn't fine. Some of us tried to at least get it balanced and not gutted.

It took pushing almost back to Red Bauble level spell power with Rank 8 Gear to remotely make the spec viable again.

funny cause last 15 wf's i just played top KB's, top damage and least amount of deaths was always mages... imagine that...

[garethh]

So let me see if I get this straight.

exc.
Now you're tearing up what most of you called the most oped 1v1 class in the game, It's perfectly balanced?
exc.

The game isn't balanced around 1v1. Trion has stated that many times

and fell blades isnt any more OP than lingering wounds, if anything its less

[Naethir]

Personally, I welcome whatever Rogues plan to bring to a table. I, as a Warrior am not taking our changes to burst as a nerf, but as a Challenge. Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger right? Same for rogues. I was tired of being stunned for 4 seconds only to turn around and cut down their health to half. With these changes I expect Rogues to move up my threat list. So, from a Warrior to a Rogue I say this:

Challenge Accepted

[sanosuke]

Personally, I welcome whatever Rogues plan to bring to a table. I, as a Warrior am not taking our changes to burst as a nerf, but as a Challenge. Whatever doesn't kill us makes us stronger right? Same for rogues. I was tired of being stunned for 4 seconds only to turn around and cut down their health to half. With these changes I expect Rogues to move up my threat list. So, from a Warrior to a Rogue I say this:

Challenge Accepted

glad someone some people see it this way.. and for Sorovos I don't see that we are that overpowered as a class now at all.. but I would say we are about on level with other classes. BTW mages and warriors still topping KB's and damage in all the WF's I've done today

[MasterOfAbuse]

sounds like these are some nice changes, i play Chloro alot in the 30-40 brackets coz i dominated dmg healin dmg taken and deaths, i was called a twink every round and abusively told to stop pvping, funny thing was the level 35 Mage was the highest char i had lol(at the time)

I enjoy playing rogue alot in this game, but hated how bad it was in pvp, one person just looks at you and you die, gonna have to level a new rogue as i deleted my old one coz i wanted its name lol