There was a thread about a build similar to this a couple of weeks back:
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...soohbz.0VRcx0b
I seem to remember it had some testing in it, and that ebon fury actually came out as a pretty good dps boost.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong however.
BeardAxe | Eth | Riftstalker
Originally Posted by food
lol it dont work i've test it lol
I'm sure you can eek out more dps using puncture and ebon fury... but my whole premise was a build that works without the nightblade rotation of doom (as i like to call it). if i want to play a nightblade ill play a nightblade. i want to play a bladedancer so my build uses only bladedancer abilities and performs VERY well. i also use swords due to lack of good dagger drops (2.1 vs 1.8 in speed) but i havent had an issue with hellfire blades or lethal poison dropping so i figure swords are at least at good at keeping the buffs up (most important thing).
also to the above poster, since there are no set bonuses in this game, there is no reason to run around with 150 hit, a blue with higher dex/crit ration is better than that epic t2 piec with dex/hit, i suggest re-evaluating your gear as you would get more dps in t2s or t1s lowering your hit. and anyone who says they cant lower their hit is lying, get some blues!
Useful Rogue guides since I don't want to answer 50 billion questions anymore:
Marksman, Ranger, Nightblade, Blink'Blade, Asstalker, Assdancer, and finally The Hoko Spec™
Hoko, teaching noobs the way of rogue pve until 12/20/11.
I have tried that spec just now, parsed lower for me vs the NB/sin build.
T1 / T2 gear, self-buffs only
With NB/sin on the dummy:
1st try: 583 DPS, 2nd try: 579 DPS
With this build:
1st try: 542 DPS, 2nd try: 545 DPS
But I bet that for any AoE-heavy situation every 2 minutes or for moderate (2-3 targets) AoE this bladedancer would come out on top.
odd your numbers seem low, you must be missing a lot, having no spell dmg and more energy means this build suffers more form misses than the nightblade build. try testing on the other dummy and see what you get. (i see no reason to test on the raid dummy since unless you have 200+ hit you will miss)
Useful Rogue guides since I don't want to answer 50 billion questions anymore:
Marksman, Ranger, Nightblade, Blink'Blade, Asstalker, Assdancer, and finally The Hoko Spec™
Hoko, teaching noobs the way of rogue pve until 12/20/11.
This was the Boss dummy, 144 hit now, 568 crit.
With NB on harder button mashing I'm getting around 600, gotta fiddle more with the queue time and macros. I was hoping for more from that BD...
[EDIT] And I should clarify, I have most T1 gear with few T2 pieces.
Last edited by Nishruu; 04-05-2011 at 10:22 AM.
you didnt post your weapon but im assuming at least 26dps if not 29dps... you should be doing 600dps to that dummy in either spec... but then your crit is much lower than mine and since crit is exponential maybe that is the factor i'm missing here. this is worth testing. maybe bladedancer scales better with crit? afterall the nightblade build comes with 5% more crit...This was the Boss dummy, 144 hit now, 568 crit.
With NB on harder button mashing I'm getting around 600, gotta fiddle more with the queue time and macros. I was hoping for more from that BD...
[EDIT] And I should clarify, I have most T1 gear with few T2 pieces.
Useful Rogue guides since I don't want to answer 50 billion questions anymore:
Marksman, Ranger, Nightblade, Blink'Blade, Asstalker, Assdancer, and finally The Hoko Spec™
Hoko, teaching noobs the way of rogue pve until 12/20/11.
Two Dull Slicers, 26 DPS.
On the Dungeon dummy: 550 DPS. Maybe the crit is a huge factor here indeed...
With OPs exact build, or with Bladedancer (32) / Assassin (20) / Nightblade (14), it makes little difference for me over a three minute parse on the Boss Dummy.
It starts high around ~600 DPS but goes flat at 500-510 DPS. Final Blow specced is 536 Damage, vs 516 for Deadly Strike, not sure those 3 points in Sin to boost FB is worth it. Deadly Strike should be 520 with Fire and Death Attunement at 3 points.
With Bladedancer (32) / Assassin (23) / Nightblade (11) should in theory be more optimized, as it lends 15% passive and 15% from rear attacks to Final Blow. FB is 528 damage vs 508 from Deadly Strike.
Again, the parse flatlines at 500-510 after 3 minutes.
This is with only 356 AP, 20.77% Crit, and 26.2/25.5 DPS weapons.
The last two parses for reference.
read your talents, deadly strike > final blow in every scenerio.
Bladedancer Your Deadly Strike increases the damage of your next 2 Combo Point generating abilities by 6% per Combo Point.
also your crit is very low, i wear some blues because they give more crit than the t2 plaque AND dropped gear... ppl say AP on those items make up for it... but no matter how i test it crit always wins for me and my builds, maybe it's because i have SO MUCH of it (43%) but i just cant imagine a life without a ton of crit.
basically opening with a expose weakness dark malady blade tempo dancing steel STARTS my dps at 900 and it just starts to go down from there :P
Useful Rogue guides since I don't want to answer 50 billion questions anymore:
Marksman, Ranger, Nightblade, Blink'Blade, Asstalker, Assdancer, and finally The Hoko Spec™
Hoko, teaching noobs the way of rogue pve until 12/20/11.
I had 43nb/18sin/5rift earlier on with ~580 DPS parse.
Now I re-rolled back to 42nb/18sin/6rng to come out with 602 DPS this time. Guess I'll stick to that build for a while, at least until my crit goes up and then I'll be able to tell how BD scales.
yea i got bout that on dummy with the rng build... but i blamed it on my rotation cause i suck at keeping dots up lol. my biggest love of the BD build is stacking crit and not needing much hit to be capped for t2 (sit at 106 hit and never miss). if i ever start to do greenscale ill change my rings but wearing crit rings is nice!
also another note is the rank 5 weapons dont have hit on them so that could increase your dps too if you get enough hit elsewhere.
basically i live by the motto, if the gear does not have crit on it, it better have hit, if it has hit i better not be too high else im changing another piece of gear, if it has attack power i bank it until they fix AP.
my endgame goal is 50% self-buffed crit, and probably use the rank 5 daggers if i stop being lazy and start grinding more prestige (it's less fun now that i cant 1 shot everyone as sabofail)
Useful Rogue guides since I don't want to answer 50 billion questions anymore:
Marksman, Ranger, Nightblade, Blink'Blade, Asstalker, Assdancer, and finally The Hoko Spec™
Hoko, teaching noobs the way of rogue pve until 12/20/11.
How is it for warfronts, and how does it do against healers?
Nightblade is great agains healers, been trying to find a different spec besides NB/Sin, i've honestly never tried BD, i'l give it a shot
The increase in damage to the next two combo point generating abilities, from Deadly Dance would appear to be outweighed by using Final Blow with the other spec.
Went back and re-did the Final Strike parse. See attachment.
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