What helps proc Flamebolt and Cinder Burst?

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One of my mage damage builds is 51Pyro/7Dom/8Chloro.

I can't figure this out. Is it just RNG on instant procs for Flamebolt and Cinder Burst? Does Withering Vine help them proc, or perchance some other abilities? I swear I've had some sort of priority rotation in the past that gave me more of those procs than I'm getting now. Did they maybe nerf those procs in the last couple of patches? I'm not talking about using Fireball for its similar potential procs, that one doesn't seem changed from past experiences with using it.

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

4/10 troll.

The Withering Vine and 7 dom/8 chloro really shorted out the effectiveness with 51 pyro. But still not bad (7 dom as a nice misdirect).

[Taptap]

4/10 troll.

The Withering Vine and 7 dom/8 chloro really shorted out the effectiveness with 51 pyro. But still not bad (7 dom as a nice misdirect).

I know that Warlock is preferred by most over Chloro when using Pyro, for the Fireball procs, and with less points in the pyro tree. But, I didn't ask for opinion about my one of several builds my mage has. My question in the op is about procs and if they might have gotten a recent silent nerf per the topic title. Got anything constructive to say about that beyond that word "troll" you used? No?

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

I know that Warlock is preferred by most over Chloro when using Pyro, for the Fireball procs, and with less points in the pyro tree. But, I didn't ask for opinion about my one of several builds my mage has. My question in the op is about procs and if they might have gotten a recent silent nerf per the topic title. Got anything constructive to say about that beyond that word "troll" you used? No?

Lol I thought it was a troll.

Withering Vine procs nothing out of Pyro, read the tooltips. The two pyro spells you mention proc off either Fireball (Flame Bolt Wildfire procs) or fire damage (Pyro Armor). So that apparent ignorance on the subject that could easily be gleaned from reading the tooltips made me suspect a troll.

[Taptap]

Lol I thought it was a troll.

Withering Vine procs nothing out of Pyro, read the tooltips. The two pyro spells you mention proc off either Fireball (Flame Bolt Wildfire procs) or fire damage (Pyro Armor). So that apparent ignorance on the subject that could easily be gleaned from reading the tooltips made me suspect a troll.

I didn't completely think Withering Vines might do that, it's just that I saw in a different thread that it supposedly helps some kind of proc in a healing spec (I don't remember the specifics). Not everything is documented. And yeah, I use Pyro Armor exclusively to other. But I seem to be seeing a noticeable decrease in the procs Flame Bolt and Cinder Burst, and was wondering what might be going on, since I do experiment with different priority rotations. I can sometimes go nearly an entire 1v1 or kill a mob and not see a proc, this is not normal history for me. For that build I listed Fireball is never instant no matter what (always a 2s cast). I need the procs, lol, since Charge only makes Fulminate (not Cinder Burst) instant for me. With tissue for armor, I need procs with mobility. Maybe RNG hates me of late.

Edit
Even my procs from Fire Ball seem to have been less of late, but not much. Really strange.

[Taptap]

Oh lol, nm. Went back and re-examined my macros and saw that I had messed up and put priority emphasis in such a way that I had reduced the number of pyro casts in favor of some others. That increased survivability but decreased the procs from the armor. Thanks for the help.

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

I didn't completely think Withering Vines might do that, it's just that I saw in a different thread that it supposedly helps some kind of proc in a healing spec (I don't remember the specifics). Not everything is documented. And yeah, I use Pyro Armor exclusively to other. But I seem to be seeing a noticeable decrease in the procs Flame Bolt and Cinder Burst, and was wondering what might be going on, since I do experiment with different priority rotations. I can sometimes go nearly an entire 1v1 or kill a mob and not see a proc, this is not normal history for me. For that build I listed Fireball is never instant no matter what (always a 2s cast). I need the procs, lol, since Charge only makes Fulminate (not Cinder Burst) instant for me. With tissue for armor, I need procs with mobility. Maybe RNG hates me of late.

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Even my procs from Fire Ball seem to have been less of late, but not much. Really strange.

RNG is RNG. I've seen friends get like 15 Opportunity procs in 20-25 seconds on Ituziel and seen some stretches where there's nary an instant-cast proc to be had for most of a raid.

Withering Vine is used to proc healing trinkets, which is irrelevant to DPS. It can theoretically proc Opportunity if you spec'ed warlock (which you did not). I can only assume this is PvP-related though, at which point proc reliance is not fantastic, which is why most people prefer pyro/dom (where, barring the wicked sting of DR, you control faster casts with Swift Control).

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RNG is RNG. I've seen friends get like 15 Opportunity procs in 20-25 seconds on Ituziel and seen some stretches where there's nary an instant-cast proc to be had for most of a raid.

Withering Vine is used to proc healing trinkets, which is irrelevant to DPS. It can theoretically proc Opportunity if you spec'ed warlock (which you did not). I can only assume this is PvP-related though, at which point proc reliance is not fantastic, which is why most people prefer pyro/dom (where, barring the wicked sting of DR, you control faster casts with Swift Control).

Don't have warlock in my PvP build for the Opportunity procs, and PvP is about all I ever play (made R39 this last weekend!) Anyway, I think I must be lacking in vitamins of late. Brain won't come off vacation. It was my rotation, I had messed around looking for more survivability against sab and had put to much priority on non fire spells. Dumb move, can't use the procs from the fire armor if not using the fire spells enough. I mean, duh. To heck with survivability, I'll hug a healer for the splashes and if I'm really nice maybe a few direct heals to. If we have one. And separate from those procs are the ones I get from using Fireball, but I only use that when its casting time is reduced by a cd to 1s (and that's just some super nasty damage while it lasts, even if it doesn't crit) or if I can afford the normal 2s casts. I've seen up to 4 procs up simultaneously this last weekend (that's very rare, 2 is much more common) and I almost forgot which buttons to press first!

I guess it's enough, the opposing teams always seem to mark me and at least 3 to 6 of them zerg me on sight lol, more if we're losing bad and I go kamikaze for some better favor. I go after their busy warriors and healers. Sabs I truly fear and I run like a little girl if I can (usually not successfully), most other mages go down quick (especially those using split personality, I target them not their minions - hint: don't click to target them). Warriors with gap closures get me if I'm forced to flicker, those with pulls I just flicker through unless they pull me into a pile of buddies). In general, on sight the opposing teams chain stun and inhibit me and dps me so bad, regardless of Flicker and Break Free, I'm dead before I can even pot even though I'm clicking my pot macro madly while waiting to come out of it, and sometimes before I even get out of the stun (from full health!) MM are no issue 1v1, I can dps them while working in restoring my buffs and getting a pot. But I do need those procs! Got them back now.

[Fridge-RaideR]

The only thing some people say what might be true is that instants proc opportunities less then casted abilities...

But to be it seems all random =)

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The only thing some people say what might be true is that instants proc opportunities less then casted abilities...

But to be it seems all random =)

Maybe true. I know that, not having the Warlock Opportunity proc, I tend to hold off on Fireball until I can use Heat Wave to reduce its 2s cast time to just 1s, and with my gcd being on 1s I can get a good few of them off and one of them will almost always cause a proc from the armor, so it's just nasty damage once every 2m. Fair enough, the instants do proc for me from the armor at other times but it seems like not all that often and the instants are ok but are like wet noodles. It's the procs that get me the kills, without them I'm probably just dead.

[Dakkhon]

I think its random myself. When i have to move and I move almost all the time my OP goes off a lot. My instants seem to be just as effective at cast spells. Unless Trion says otherwise I would have to assume it's random.

[Soul sky]

Oh lol, nm. Went back and re-examined my macros and saw that I had messed up and put priority emphasis in such a way that I had reduced the number of pyro casts in favor of some others. That increased survivability but decreased the procs from the armor. Thanks for the help.

Dear god I hope you weren't using something like this:

#show fire shield
suppressmacrofailures
cast fire shield
cast flame bolt
cast countdown
cast fireball

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

Dear god I hope you weren't using something like this:

#show fire shield
suppressmacrofailures
cast fire shield
cast flame bolt
cast countdown
cast fireball

NOPE, macro'd fireball FIRST OH YEAH!

/failure