1.9 In progress Mage Suggestions

[Jeremiahcp]

Thank you so much for your reply!
Firstly, Wild Abandon is used very often, and its not useless. I am not sure why people are assuming that I should have included it on MY list? I am very puzzled why this is a "right...." responce. Do you feel like it should be on the list? I am confused.

When I say the spell is useless, please refer to why I said its useless, it is rarely used outside of a small small number of fights. My arguments are still valid.

51 specs, lets see - 51 chloro, 51 bard, 51 puri, and 51 cleric tank? And one 51 warrior, which if I am thinking of the right spec, its actually needed in the raid, and just further proves my point of us going 51 gives us no advantages over other souls going 51 and actually providing much use.

So lets see, all the chloro combinations you mentioned, they are all relying on the 15 points in another soul to provide the utility. And wtf is chlorobomb? Do you play chloro or just playing alphabet games? Chlorarchon? really? I'm not even going to tell u how bad that is. Chlorpyro - unless u are counting the 6 points for GOM which pairs with the 9 into dom. 15 into pyro is useless, and if you must rely on flicker as a means of escape, you are bad. As for Chlorlock, which at 51 is pointless to put points into once u get the 4pc crystal. Which puts us back at the Chlordom - There are two specs, one with AP, and one with only 9 into dom for the reflect. Again, u are relying on the 15/9 point to provide u with some utility.

You say 11 in dom gets you a purge....really? Look again. Unless you are talkn about degeneration...useless.

Finally, your point on 11 dom giving us so much utility. So what your telling me is that 51 chloro requires and deserves no changes, because of the 11 points into Dom? You realize how bad that is for a game and a class? That needs to be changed. No class should be forced to put 11 into any soul to provide the only utility the entire class has. Ynless they are the archon, which could put the 11 into dom and provide all the utility needed and you dont need more than 1 reflect/ap/deny on any 1 fight.

Thank you for your reply, they were very constructive and positive to helping us fix the problem. PS your screwdriver analogy made no sense.

"51 specs"

Rouge ST DPS as well....


"So lets see, all the chloro combinations you mentioned, they are all relying on the 15 points in another soul to provide the utility."

No, the ones I named are hybrid specs.

"And wtf is chlorobomb?"

Chlorobomb is a spike raid heal hybrid spec, it relies on spike heals rather then sustained HPS. An older spec, although I would a expect someone with 6 Chloro specs to know what it is.

"Chlorarchon? really?"

I would suggest you browse the mage forums more often and just read, you can find lots of really good information here.

[TheGrinnz]

"Chlorarchon? really?"

I would suggest you browse the mage forums more often and just read, you can find lots of really good information here.

With you on the rest of the points but I really would like to know what build you're talking about here and why it could possibly be a good idea.

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

With you on the rest of the points but I really would like to know what build you're talking about here and why it could possibly be a good idea.

Back before the LBV/LGV split, it was a good heal/buff build for T2s.

[Jeremiahcp]

With you on the rest of the points but I really would like to know what build you're talking about here and why it could possibly be a good idea.

There is an interesting side conversation about it in this thread. You'll have to scroll down a bit.

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ht-archon.html

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

Thank you so much for your reply!

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By that rationale, we should remove the bulk of the spells from a 51 Puri since you just have 4 shield cooldowns and Restorative Flame. There are a number of spells with limited utility, but throwing them out simply because you don't use them on EVERY fight seems rather short-sighted. 11 Dom is enormously useful to have all that utility for 11 points simply because a higher investment is almost exclusively limited to PvP builds.

I honestly think chloro is in excellent shape in PvE (PvP is a different story, but I've stated in other posts that I do not believe that is indicative of a problem with the soul -- it's more a problem of the function of PvP in Rift at present). If anything, the only thing that would be nice is an AoE cleanse (the one in archon is 20 points in, requiring an interesting hybrid for it).

If anything, a new soul is where a shielding/damage prevention type of playstyle belongs. I'm all in favor of a mage tanking soul, but realistically speaking, a shielding soul is more likely and may in part help address some of the issues with PvP mage healing (it would potentially complement nicely with a healing via damage soul if the shields were unaffected by Valor).

P.S. How does the screwdriver analogy not make sense?

[Boodie]

"51 specs"

Rouge ST DPS as well....


"So lets see, all the chloro combinations you mentioned, they are all relying on the 15 points in another soul to provide the utility."

No, the ones I named are hybrid specs.

"And wtf is chlorobomb?"

Chlorobomb is a spike raid heal hybrid spec, it relies on spike heals rather then sustained HPS. An older spec, although I would a expect someone with 6 Chloro specs to know what it is.

"Chlorarchon? really?"

I would suggest you browse the mage forums more often and just read, you can find lots of really good information here.

Why mention hybrid specs when my whole argument is based around 51 chloro? Why are you mentioning some ancient "chlorobomb" spec when this is a thread based on today's game.? Chloroarchon still makes me laugh, even if you were talking about the hybrid spec, its not viable in any raid situation.

[Boodie]

If anything, a new soul is where a shielding/damage prevention type of playstyle belongs. I'm all in favor of a mage tanking soul, but realistically speaking, a shielding soul is more likely and may in part help address some of the issues with PvP mage healing (it would potentially complement nicely with a healing via damage soul if the shields were unaffected by Valor).

I like the idea of shielding/damage prevention being another soul, if some basic form of shield/damage prevention is in the lower tiers of the soul. That way you can be 51 chloro and opt to put some points in the new soul, and gain the added shielding to our spec. This of course needs delicate balancing so that its not overpowered. Perhaps the shield can scale with how many points u put into the new soul.

[Jeremiahcp]

Why mention hybrid specs when my whole argument is based around 51 chloro? Why are you mentioning some ancient "chlorobomb" spec when this is a thread based on today's game.? Chloroarchon still makes me laugh, even if you were talking about the hybrid spec, its not viable in any raid situation.

Why don't you tell us, in detail, why you need 6 Chloro specs. How about you lay it out for us, in detail, and make a real argument. If you provide the skinny on what you are doing, you might just find out you are doing it wrong and the problem is you not the Chloro soul.

[Boodie]

Why don't you tell us, in detail, why you need 6 Chloro specs. How about you lay it out for us, in detail, and make a real argument. If you provide the skinny on what you are doing, you might just find out you are doing it wrong and the problem is you not the Chloro soul.

Since you asked so nicely, I shall share

51 11dom 4lock - AP/Deny/Reflect/Charge Regen Increase - Used in muti ID raids.
35 31pyro 0archon - Fast dedicated raid heals - used in ituziel
51 9dom 6pyo - Main 51 spec, used most of the time, reflect/squirrel
51 9archon 6pyro - Requires more upkeep, slightly more sp than spec above, lacks reflect/squirrel
30 30lock 6pyro - no radiant spores, 100% uptime 19%/20% dmg buff, not used much
36 16dom 14pyro - laethys

Satisfied? I am still confused as to why me having my 6 specs is the focus point of your argument.

[TheGrinnz]

Since you asked so nicely, I shall share

51 11dom 4lock - AP/Deny/Reflect/Charge Regen Increase - Used in muti ID raids.
35 31pyro 0archon - Fast dedicated raid heals - used in ituziel
51 9dom 6pyo - Main 51 spec, used most of the time, reflect/squirrel
51 9archon 6pyro - Requires more upkeep, slightly more sp than spec above, lacks reflect/squirrel
30 30lock 6pyro - no radiant spores, 100% uptime 19%/20% dmg buff, not used much
36 16dom 14pyro - laethys

Satisfied? I am still confused as to why me having my 6 specs is the focus point of your argument.

We need more role slots.

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

Since you asked so nicely, I shall share

51 11dom 4lock - AP/Deny/Reflect/Charge Regen Increase - Used in muti ID raids.
35 31pyro 0archon - Fast dedicated raid heals - used in ituziel
51 9dom 6pyo - Main 51 spec, used most of the time, reflect/squirrel
51 9archon 6pyro - Requires more upkeep, slightly more sp than spec above, lacks reflect/squirrel
30 30lock 6pyro - no radiant spores, 100% uptime 19%/20% dmg buff, not used much
36 16dom 14pyro - laethys

Satisfied? I am still confused as to why me having my 6 specs is the focus point of your argument.

9 dom/6 pyro is a bit of a waste (Int scaling is meh) -- with current gear as 9 archon/6 pyro gives you the highest VL ticks, but it's not significant. You could honestly pick one of those and drop the other to free up a role. And if you really aren't using 30/30/6, you could drop that. And that is a very interesting Laethys-only spec (I sense a shortage of mages).

This still really doesn't provide much more than justification for giving us at least 2 more role slots (in my estimation). I still find very little wrong with Chloro aside from PvP. And as I've said, that's rather separate in my mind about class changes.

[Boodie]

9 dom/6 pyro is a bit of a waste (Int scaling is meh) -- with current gear as 9 archon/6 pyro gives you the highest VL ticks, but it's not significant. You could honestly pick one of those and drop the other to free up a role. And if you really aren't using 30/30/6, you could drop that. And that is a very interesting Laethys-only spec (I sense a shortage of mages).

This still really doesn't provide much more than justification for giving us at least 2 more role slots (in my estimation). I still find very little wrong with Chloro aside from PvP. And as I've said, that's rather separate in my mind about class changes.

Totally agree that the 9archon/6pyro is more sp higher ticks, but then I loose reflect, squirrel, all the utility from dom. Yes your spider senses are correct, shortage of mages ftw.

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

Totally agree that the 9archon/6pyro is more sp higher ticks, but then I loose reflect, squirrel, all the utility from dom. Yes your spider senses are correct, shortage of mages ftw.

*shrug* 15 Dom/0 Archon for testing new bosses and then I just switch when I need the reflect (or cajole someone else into doing reflects/AP/mana drains/I just want to VL > VS > VL the entire fight).

[Samfortal]

Im sure stormcaller, elementalist and necromancer that are dps spec should be boosted, mainly sc and elem that havent good survivality skills. The top dps specs are pyro and warlock.

Stormcaller
Strech of cold: increase in 1,2% water damage for each point spent in stormcaller soul.
Lighting brust damage increased 20%.

Elementalist:
Tempest critical damage bonus increased to 45%.

Archon:
Leeching flames cooldowns reduced to 15s.
Rising Vengeance: Increase archon damage in 1,2% for each spent point spent in archon soul.

Necromancer: no ideas.

[Jeremiahcp]

Since you asked so nicely, I shall share

51 11dom 4lock - AP/Deny/Reflect/Charge Regen Increase - Used in muti ID raids.
35 31pyro 0archon - Fast dedicated raid heals - used in ituziel
51 9dom 6pyo - Main 51 spec, used most of the time, reflect/squirrel
51 9archon 6pyro - Requires more upkeep, slightly more sp than spec above, lacks reflect/squirrel
30 30lock 6pyro - no radiant spores, 100% uptime 19%/20% dmg buff, not used much
36 16dom 14pyro - laethys

Satisfied? I am still confused as to why me having my 6 specs is the focus point of your argument.

" I am still confused as to why me having my 6 specs is the focus point of your argument."

Really? You made it the "focus point", you are the one who said "limited options" and "the reason I have 6 chloro specs, so that I can be flexible with what utility".

This is why I don't like to debating things on internet forums, more often then not the person I am debating with is more interested with the aruging then the debating.