1.8 Defilemancer Parses

[Aleais]

Hello : )

Aléais:
PA: full PA dps
PS: 1930 completely unbuffed
Crit: 1130 completely unbuffed

I'm between 3k2-3k3 on the dummies
I didn't have a dummies parse, just an Ituziel (ID) parse at 4306 with RF gear
Gear: http://i.imgur.com/Tu1pU.jpg
Parse: http://i.imgur.com/DqMYn.png

Any advice based on this parse?
Personnaly, i think "Combust" is too low on my parse

[Einrad]

Hello : )

Aléais:
PA: full PA dps
PS: 1930 completely unbuffed
Crit: 1130 completely unbuffed

I'm between 3k2-3k3 on the dummies
I didn't have a dummies parse, just an Ituziel (ID) parse at 4306 with RF gear
Gear: http://i.imgur.com/Tu1pU.jpg
Parse: http://i.imgur.com/DqMYn.png

Any advice based on this parse?
Personnaly, i think "Combust" is too low on my parse

You forgot to mention you were french

[Xano]

Hello : )

Aléais:
PA: full PA dps
PS: 1930 completely unbuffed
Crit: 1130 completely unbuffed

I'm between 3k2-3k3 on the dummies
I didn't have a dummies parse, just an Ituziel (ID) parse at 4306 with RF gear
Gear: http://i.imgur.com/Tu1pU.jpg
Parse: http://i.imgur.com/DqMYn.png

Any advice based on this parse?
Personnaly, i think "Combust" is too low on my parse

Looks pretty good. although I cannot read french I think combust might be a bit low like you said and fireball/flame bolt could be higher.

Having word of pain helps a ton.

I mean I have like 90 more base spellpower and word of pain proc to get my dummy numbers over 3500 which is about right for gear difference I guess.

guess on ituziel it just boils down obtaining minimal movement and making sure you stack every buff and trick that is available. I.e (trinket swap, spellcrit pots, elder tablets)

[Pizman]

Can someone please post a good link to the spec build and rotstion for defilemancer? I have been looking most of the day and I would like to switch my current 36Pyro/30Lock/0Archon spec for 1.8. I appreciate any guidance or direction to some good links. Thanks.

[Hzk]

Has anyone tried the Lock Greater? I heard it's a small dps increase, would like to know if anyone tried it out to see if it's even worth it.

Also, when first casting Defile, should you double cast it so it actually gets the 15% dmg bonus, or just let it go the first time?

[Beckmann]

I have to say the mage community is disappointingly unhelpful on 38/28. I'd gladly post my own spec & tips, but the truth is I'm not very good at it. Maybe if I made a guide full of bad ideas, people would finally point them out to me. But I'd much rather just see one of the mages who has mastered this spec contribute to the community something more than their best dummy parses and vague hints at secret knowledge.

The only thing I know is that getting rid of macros and spending hours on the dummy has gained me 250-300 DPS.

[CoooKi3]

To be honest this spec is hard to make a guide for, everyone plays it in the way that they find comfortable there is no rotation to be learned. Was at 4.4k on ituziel before fire rain decided to 1 shot me missed about 10% of the fight. But i think anywhere between 4.4k and 4.6k is achievable. (missing some PA levels)

[niochua]

I have to say the mage community is disappointingly unhelpful on 38/28. I'd gladly post my own spec & tips, but the truth is I'm not very good at it. Maybe if I made a guide full of bad ideas, people would finally point them out to me. But I'd much rather just see one of the mages who has mastered this spec contribute to the community something more than their best dummy parses and vague hints at secret knowledge.

The only thing I know is that getting rid of macros and spending hours on the dummy has gained me 250-300 DPS.

Me too, Im at the same SP/SC as some of the posters on here but they are parsing WAY higher... Either an exploit or they're doing something and not telling anyone what they changed.

[Tobz]

Buffed with 2215sp i can'i parse higher then 2900dps over 6min. I dont know what im doing wrong. I wait for dots to fall off and reapply, cast countdown befor anything else unless i need a flamebolt to refresh combust, only void bolt when LL is <6sec depending on current situation. i just dont know what to do to increase my dps 200-300 to match the top guys. only thing i can think of is that i dont catch many cinder opp procs but that could only increase my dps by maybe 100?

[masakari81]

I.e (trinket swap, spellcrit pots, elder tablets)

I believe he posted this 'exploit' for all to see. Although I seriously can't see how elder tablets help and I'm curious which trinket he swaps.

Spellcrit pots are a pain as you need to time them in between archon crit buffs.

And seriously, outside of the standard build which can be found all over the forums, the 38/28 is nearly impossible to give a 'standard' rotation for. I'm not the best at it myself, but I've spoken to 2 really good mages before with similar dummy parses and they gave opposing advice on how to do it.

I have improved some with practice.... prob need to practice much more. About the only advice for beginners is to use KA. I've heard NKrebuff can be used as well, but I've tried setting it up and all it registers are buffs and debuffs on myself..... if anyone has any advice on this, it would be most appreciated.

To say the mage community/forum is not helpful with regards to the spec is a reflection of just how poorly one understands the spec. It is not the kind of spec where you can simply post an ACT parse and people can immediately identify your problem... outside of 'your combust dmg should be higher', for which there is no clear way of improving it short of 'don't macro flame bolt'. If you want cookie cutter top dps builds, you prob should be looking at the other classes more. 38/28 has already been simplified in 1.8, but it is by no means a walk in the park with dummy parse differences being upward of 4-500 DPS.

In comparison, specs like jolt & bolt and 51 champ are a walk in the park. Paragon is slightly tougher than 51 champ. Don't play rogues so I don't know.

[DaddyDaz]

for sure. it's really hard to make a guide for builds like this. there are no rotations for this build as it can change up the second you have to move. it's all about the priority lists and knowing them by heart. if A is already up or on cooldown then use B, if B is.. then use C, etc. know the list, manage your cooldowns, manage charge, practice.

the trinket swapping would be Alsbeth Focusing Orb (or Glob of Crystallized Blood if Orb is on CD or not owned) right before combat, then swap to AMoP. AMoP can start to gain stacks right away.

[Primalthirst]

Elder Tablets give 19 Wis which = 9.5 Spellpower
Spell Crit pots are easy to use if you set up an alert for Earthen Barrage, but can get expensive pretty quickly.

[masakari81]

Elder Tablets give 19 Wis which = 9.5 Spellpower
Spell Crit pots are easy to use if you set up an alert for Earthen Barrage, but can get expensive pretty quickly.

Elder tablets do???
I always thought they just increased mana/life regen. <---- noob

[Xano]

I believe he posted this 'exploit' for all to see. Although I seriously can't see how elder tablets help and I'm curious which trinket he swaps.

Spellcrit pots are a pain as you need to time them in between archon crit buffs.

Masa it's not like I do these things for dummy parses only for super try hard raid dps.

[Beckmann]

And seriously, outside of the standard build which can be found all over the forums, the 38/28 is nearly impossible to give a 'standard' rotation for. I'm not the best at it myself, but I've spoken to 2 really good mages before with similar dummy parses and they gave opposing advice on how to do it.

This is why I think there should be a 20-page thread on our guide forums with people arguing over the best system for 38/28 and every little trick to get the most out of it. You see similar stuff on the rogue guide forums with every build. Mages just don't seem to share, and I'm not sure why. The extent of the advice seems to be a Zam link and "use addons, don't use macros, and practice". Obviously this is solid advice, and I've followed it myself, but surely there's more that could be said? If I wanted a cookie cutter build I wouldn't even be trying, I just want to devour every piece of advice that's out there and not reinvent everything myself.

On a different note, how have people found 38/28 compares to warriors and rogues in a raid setting (say, Ituziel)? I've seen several kill vids with mages leading by hundreds of DPS, but I'm not sure what the top end for different callings is. I know that warriors in my guild are parsing similarly to me on the dummy (mid-2900s) but I've not heard of other callings matching Xano's numbers in raid.