Dear Cleric Class Dev

[Atropus]

Hi folks! I just wanted to say that I've already had to come in and clean some posts out of this thread. You all seem to want to have this conversation but it's got to head back to a more respectful tone. Please do not post things like "signed" and keep the discussion civil.

Thanks!

Civil, of course, means docile in Trionese, while "a more respectful tone" means we shouldn't express negative feedback with our peers in a calm and TOS abiding manner. Yes, we want to have this conversation, because it's a HUGE issue. Trion has stated numerous times that Class != Role, yet Clerics are delegated to Healer duty, and Warriors have their pick of either Cleave Taker or Cleave Victim. As much as I detest Warriors, they need a third option as badly as we do.

[AldrenShatterbone]

Civil, of course, means docile in Trionese, while "a more respectful tone" means we shouldn't express negative feedback with our peers in a calm and TOS abiding manner. Yes, we want to have this conversation, because it's a HUGE issue. Trion has stated numerous times that Class != Role, yet Clerics are delegated to Healer duty, and Warriors have their pick of either Cleave Taker or Cleave Victim. As much as I detest Warriors, they need a third option as badly as we do.

I agree with you on warriors, but lets try to keep these threads focused on clerics to not muddy the argument or invite warrior trolls. At least the warriors excel in their provided roles and do not have 4 uncompetitive souls sitting around.

[aabuster1]

Civil, of course, means docile in Trionese, while "a more respectful tone" means we shouldn't express negative feedback with our peers in a calm and TOS abiding manner. Yes, we want to have this conversation, because it's a HUGE issue. Trion has stated numerous times that Class != Role, yet Clerics are delegated to Healer duty, and Warriors have their pick of either Cleave Taker or Cleave Victim. As much as I detest Warriors, they need a third option as badly as we do.

Aye keep the focus on clerics. Just because another class is lacking does not mean our class has to suffer for their problems.

[Ivengar]

I really don't mean to be picking on any of the devs and I am sure they are trying to work things out but based on where the cleric class is right now then add in threads about high end gear like this:

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...-upgraded.html

I really have to wonder is anyone at Trion even knows how the cleric souls work. There are just soo many bad mistakes being made about all aspecs of this class.

Anyone else feel this way?

You know this may just be a communication issue. There may be a reason why most of the high end cleric gear has little or no end on it or that they are taking away SC for SP. The fact that we have the least about of HP leaves me wondering why and I know I am not the only one.

Maybe one of the devs could take a few min and just let us know why things are itemized the way they are for us.

[Hijati]

You know this may just be a communication issue. There may be a reason why most of the high end cleric gear has little or no end on it or that they are taking away SC for SP. The fact that we have the least about of HP leaves me wondering why and I know I am not the only one.

Maybe one of the devs could take a few min and just let us know why things are itemized the way they are for us.

You know that would probably be asking too much for someone to sit down and fully explain why the clerics are sitting where they are...why they cannot make it so brutalize does not fall off...why we cannot be scaled properly with our gear...why SP is deemed a more appropriate stat when we are not crit capped...I mean that is not asking a lot from them, but given the trend in the past it won't happen...I will continue gearing my other characters to replace my cleric.

[Solisto]

Is there any chance Zib could schedule a chat thing for an hour or so one of these days to answer some questions from the cleric community? We promise the only question about SL will be if you are waiting till then to balance our dps against the other classes.

I think most of us would be ok if the answer was "wait for SL". I'd rather have bad news than no news at all.

[fitness]

Hi folks! I just wanted to say that I've already had to come in and clean some posts out of this thread. You all seem to want to have this conversation but it's got to head back to a more respectful tone. Please do not post things like "signed" and keep the discussion civil.

Thanks!

While I understand the rules and general conduct guidelines community has to follow, do you have ANY idea what is it to play an underdog class in a competitive raid environment? The silence from anything and anyone made:
1. Frustration in an entire cleric community
2. Heated discussion between different classes on the same topic (show me a mage that want to see cleric pull the same dps)
3. I unsubscribed from the game and personally do not care anymore. For someone's sake, is it too much to ask to bring the numbers on par? Trion could easily save some subs by doing it earlier.
4. Once players leave the game they rarely come back. I have no plans of coming back regardless how good/OP/awesome clerics will be.
5. Trion's marketing ideas are a big joke. Complete silence for 2 months since SL announce. You lost a momentum with your community.
6. 1.8 patch notes were my favorite, especially the part of missing anything for clerics. Big slap in the face.

Rant over. Last post from me ever. Cheers!

[Allmightyone]

Honestly I don't really care about them buffing cleric DPS before SL. We are about 5-10% behind but we are also the easiest class to play as DPS. All I'm hoping for is that the new soul will be a good complement to many DPS soul. Cleric DPS souls lack synergy. I'd like to see some talents that reduce our GCD or increase DoT dmgs or an attack that increase our outgoing dmgs (Something like the pyro mage soul that seems fit into every good builds). I'd like to see some nice rotation that involve more then just spamming 1 macro for 80% of the time and see some viable 34/32 DPS builds. If something is planned along those lines for SL I'd be more then happy to wait until then to be trully competitive as DPS.

No more band-aid fix like Mien of Agression please.

[Eughe]

We are about 5-10% behind but we are also the easiest class to play as DPS.

Absolutely nothing difficult about playing warrior or rogue as dps, even it all 3 were in melee. And if we wanna rank, rogue melee is "harder" than warriors yet they too are behind.

[Morvick]

As much as I love the Justicar Soul -- and I really do, it's my main spec -- it's screwed the Cleric calling over. Our DPS cannot threaten to be comparable to other souls because with all of 11 (maybe 14) points into that one soul, we could dish out powerful heals simultaneously with our DPS. Even with MoA... I'm almost certain none of the other 3 Callings can approach that capability (maybe some version of Chloromancer, if someone wants to provide data on that).

It's our gift and our curse. I hope it's addressed critically and creatively in Storm Legion.

[Allmightyone]

Absolutely nothing difficult about playing warrior or rogue as dps, even it all 3 were in melee. And if we wanna rank, rogue melee is "harder" than warriors yet they too are behind.

Not really the main point of my post though... Call it harder or easier that's a matter of playstyle. I do want cleric to be on par with other classes in DPS and if this meens a more elaborate rotation I'll welcome it. All I was saying was that our rotation is easy enought to add a few spells that would increase our numbers.

[Byona]

We are about 5-10% behind

10% these days is what? 400-450 DPS ? i dont think thats a small number :/

[Kwak675]

Then ALL clerics must be the worst players in Rift.

OR MAYBE... there is a problem with cleric DPS.

All the good clerics heal, so skill level of dps clerics is by nature bad.

[usman]

All the good warriors tank, so skill level of dps warriors is by nature bad.
All the good rogues bard, so skill level of dps rogues is by nature bad
.

See what i did there?

[Bluelightt]

Absolutely nothing difficult about playing warrior or rogue as dps, even it all 3 were in melee. And if we wanna rank, rogue melee is "harder" than warriors yet they too are behind.

Ranger is such a hard spec to play I mean omg.