Cleric DPS falling behind

[Sunfire]

All the other classes are about 300 dps higher than that 4.4k and Mages 600 higher. Meaning you only bring 1 Cleric DPS if you are min/maxer for Clinging Spirit, meaning you make that DPS into icar and bring 1 less Cleric healer and 0 DPS (because icar is a heal/dps role not support you **** lol). I shouldn't need to explain why that is not balanced.

The only Ituziel parse I've seen with a 4.2K cleric he was doing BnJ with full BiS gear in a world top 5 guild (to whom the fight is entirely trivial) and he was still the lowest DPS by a wide margin.

Most guilds doing Ituziel will not allow their Clerics to DPS (as pointed out above) and even if they do they won't allow a cleric to melee since like most of the recent game the fight is less melee friendly. So realistically if you do get to DPS on this fight as a cleric - it will be in 51 Inquisitor and you'll be lucky to pull within 500 DPS of any other DPS and you can expect to be as much as 1000-1500 DPS behind the top DPS.

BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN.

[Hawkmoon0028]

My take is this: I don't want clerics to be the best DPS. But I damn sure don't want a cleric to gimp the raid if they're not healing.

I don't think it's too much to ask for Trion to close the gap a little- I'm not saying buff us to the point where we have OMGWTFBBQ1337deepz.... but we shouldn't be 1k+ DPS behind the next highest DPS classes, either.

[Ivengar]

My take is this: I don't want clerics to be the best DPS. But I damn sure don't want a cleric to gimp the raid if they're not healing.

I don't think it's too much to ask for Trion to close the gap a little- I'm not saying buff us to the point where we have OMGWTFBBQ1337deepz.... but we shouldn't be 1k+ DPS behind the next highest DPS classes, either.

And I am in the other camp. If I put 66 points into DPS souls I expect to put out the same PPS as warriors/rogues and mages.

Mages raid heal better than us and have some of the best raid buffs in the game AND THEY DPS the BEST. So if mages can be the tops in all 3 roles they have why cant clerics.

I want it so that the only thing stopping me from out DPSings a Rogue/Mage/Warrior is my skill at playing the game. Not the class I picked to play.

[TheGrinnz]

Byona save your energy. Look at his signature - a warrior and a mage. It's like talking to a wall. Of course its in his best interest to stay superior in DPS. I am ready to break my monitor when I see "bard is for healing" comment.
On the other hand I am willing to wait until that signature changes to 2/8 ID and maybe we'll have a completely different spin in this discussion.

Peace.

Attacking the signature, classy. It doesn't list any of my characters, maybe you should look closer. I play Mage, Warrior and Cleric, and it's not in my best interest for any part of the game to be unbalanced. Please tell me where I said "bard is for healing".

[aabuster1]

When I choose DPS souls I expect the ability to DPS equally regardless of class.

[efitall]

I'm not sure what specs you're running or how you're using them, but I know at least one DPS cleric pulling over 4k. That's nothing to sniff at.

Try experimenting and testing, rather than re-using the same strategies and builds over and over. We have some neat stuff tucked into those trees that no one seems to use.

[Calibrex]

but I know at least one DPS cleric pulling over 4k. That's nothing to sniff at.

with what spec and fights(s)?

[Ivengar]

I'm not sure what specs you're running or how you're using them, but I know at least one DPS cleric pulling over 4k. .

In all fights? Have any screen shots you care to sare that show the whole raid and everyones DPS.

[Ivengar]

with what spec and fights(s)?

LOL, you know clerics are united and on the same page when multipul people post the same questions to the same post at about the same time.

If that doesn't show how wide the issue is I don't know what else will.

[Byona]

The only Ituziel parse I've seen with a 4.2K cleric he was doing BnJ with full BiS gear in a world top 5 guild (to whom the fight is entirely trivial) and he was still the lowest DPS by a wide margin.

Most guilds doing Ituziel will not allow their Clerics to DPS (as pointed out above) and even if they do they won't allow a cleric to melee since like most of the recent game the fight is less melee friendly. So realistically if you do get to DPS on this fight as a cleric - it will be in 51 Inquisitor and you'll be lucky to pull within 500 DPS of any other DPS and you can expect to be as much as 1000-1500 DPS behind the top DPS.

BROKEN BROKEN BROKEN.

i've linked a 4.4k like 4 times already in this thread, please read it properly, but yes like you said even with that i was lowest of all classes.

I'm not sure what specs you're running or how you're using them, but I know at least one DPS cleric pulling over 4k. That's nothing to sniff at.

Try experimenting and testing, rather than re-using the same strategies and builds over and over. We have some neat stuff tucked into those trees that no one seems to use.

Note: 90% of this post is copy pasted from previous posts, because you are bringing the same topic again without replying.

Same for you, please read the thread properly, i've linked my parse and my argument about it, you didnt argue anything new, 4k is nothing to be proud of.

Time: 04:20 Ally DPS: 51.8k Coookie(Mage) :5095 Demonin(Mage) :4845 Efreet(Mage):4739 Skarbor(Warrior):4701 Skarrj(Rogue):4691 Sharogy(Warrior):4608 Byona(Cleric):4435 Phantombor :4235 Vesken :3910 Arkzy :3467 Qarlsberg :2381 Slipperz :1887 Orakk :796 Paulimon :744 Hyras :422 Oriya :412 Vera :384 Kaskbor :96

As you can see with using our top ST spec, no matter how good i do, i'd still end up behind the other classes, only above hybrids, healers and under geared members.

No matter how long we argue about this, in order to maximize your raid dps it has reached the point where you can only bring 1 cleric dps for clinging spirit (thank god for that debuff, its the only reason im in the raid how embarrassing, they are bringing the class not the player ), and in most cases you just make that 1 cleric dps into a hybrid inquisicar to use less healers (less clerics!). Can anyone say this is not true? i dare you .

[Dee Dee]

i've linked a 4.4k like 4 times already in this thread, please read it properly, but yes like you said even with that i was lowest of all classes.



Note: 90% of this post is copy pasted from previous posts, because you are bringing the same topic again without replying.

Same for you, please read the thread properly, i've linked my parse and my argument about it, you didnt argue anything new, 4k is nothing to be proud of.

Time: 04:20 Ally DPS: 51.8k Coookie(Mage) :5095 Demonin(Mage) :4845 Efreet(Mage):4739 Skarbor(Warrior):4701 Skarrj(Rogue):4691 Sharogy(Warrior):4608 Byona(Cleric):4435 Phantombor :4235 Vesken :3910 Arkzy :3467 Qarlsberg :2381 Slipperz :1887 Orakk :796 Paulimon :744 Hyras :422 Oriya :412 Vera :384 Kaskbor :96

As you can see with using our top ST spec, no matter how good i do, i'd still end up behind the other classes, only above hybrids, healers and under geared members.

No matter how long we argue about this, in order to maximize your raid dps it has reached the point where you can only bring 1 cleric dps for clinging spirit (thank god for that debuff, its the only reason im in the raid how embarrassing, they are bringing the class not the player ), and in most cases you just make that 1 cleric dps into a hybrid inquisicar to use less healers (less clerics!). Can anyone say this is not true? i dare you .

nerf byona, buff clerics!

as a side note, clerics feel forced to use all 6 roles during a raid, just to not feel like slowing the team progression and increasing the time spent there by so many ppl, seconds are precious when a boss enrages
not to mention gear for some roles gimp other role, i dont want same stats for my healer as it has my dps

[Byona]

Time: 04:08 Ally DPS: 54.4k Coookie :5260 (mage) Skarbor :4883(warrior) Trikkle :4822(mage) Sharogy :4797(warrior) Efreet :4762(mage) Haipz :4690(rogue) Skarrj :4393(dead rogue) Byona :4318(cleric) Phantombor :4282(beastmaster) Thc :4191 Raffter :3139 Slipperz :1923 Paulimon :778 Orakk :761 Vera :452 Hyras :442 Oriya :425 Kaskbor :105 Squirrel :1 Squirrel :1 Squirrel :0 Squirrel :0

Here is todays parse, just look at them mages, almost 5.3k lol.. and Warrior almost 4.9k, Rogue almost 4.7k(Pretty sure can be higher too but skarrj was dead).. any Cleric did higher than my previous 4.4k yet? Do you guys still think this is balanced?

Dont forget them pro Squirrels haha, atleast we can outdps them xD

[Kaelani]

Mages raid heal better than us and have some of the best raid buffs in the game AND THEY DPS the BEST. So if mages can be the tops in all 3 roles they have why cant clerics.

Because *someone* loves his Bright Wizards...

[Bluelightt]

Time: 04:08 Ally DPS: 54.4k Coookie :5260 (mage) Skarbor :4883(warrior) Trikkle :4822(mage) Sharogy :4797(warrior) Efreet :4762(mage) Haipz :4690(rogue) Skarrj :4393(dead rogue) Byona :4318(cleric) Phantombor :4282(beastmaster) Thc :4191 Raffter :3139 Slipperz :1923 Paulimon :778 Orakk :761 Vera :452 Hyras :442 Oriya :425 Kaskbor :105 Squirrel :1 Squirrel :1 Squirrel :0 Squirrel :0

Here is todays parse, just look at them mages, almost 5.3k lol.. and Warrior almost 4.9k, Rogue almost 4.7k(Pretty sure can be higher too but skarrj was dead).. any Cleric did higher than my previous 4.4k yet? Do you guys still think this is balanced?

Dont forget them pro Squirrels haha, atleast we can outdps them xD

Atleast we can almost beat dead rogue DPS

[Fangthane]

Healing is all the support you need.

Lolz - you needed something new for your sig Moo?! Quote yourself! The above is a keeper.

"We don't need an Archon - just throw more healing at it! What's an enrage timer??"