Cleric DPS is falling behind......again

[dead2soon]

Yah, no - Clerics shouldn't be competing with Mages, at their current numbers. Rangers? Sure, why not. Not a well played Defilemancer.

I'm all for Trion making something more complicated yet competitive. We don't have the option of a hard to play really high dps build.

[Byona]

Yah, no - Clerics shouldn't be competing with Mages, at their current numbers. Rangers? Sure, why not. Not a well played Defilemancer.

I agree i dont expect us Clerics to be doing Mages numbers, infact i dont believe Mages should be doing Mages numbers xD the hell, almost pulling 5k not on sicaron is a joke imo seeing that we dont have ID gear yet. However it is the Rogues ranger buff that got me to feel we are falling behind. Ranger is not their top dps spec, i believe bloodstalker is? some melee spec xD but why should their Ranger spec be ~equal to our top dps spec, and our range spec is way behind by ~400 or so? our range spec should get some love, period.

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

I agree i dont expect us Clerics to be doing Mages numbers, infact i dont believe Mages should be doing Mages numbers xD the hell, almost pulling 5k not on sicaron is a joke imo seeing that we dont have ID gear yet. However it is the Rogues ranger buff that got me to feel we are falling behind. Ranger is not their top dps spec, i believe bloodstalker is? some melee spec xD but why should their Ranger spec be ~equal to our top dps spec, and our range spec is way behind by ~400 or so? our range spec should get some love, period.

Fix scaling is what you're asking

[Vargas1]

what i never understood is, why people are asking for warrior competitive builds on range. i as warrior would not have a problem with a rogue beating me in the dps charts as melee.
but when rogues do better range dps than a warrior can in melee, i begin to think its unfair. melees always have the disadvantages of frequent disconnects to the target, running after the boss (itu), getting cleaved, aoes around the bosses etc.
warriors do not have competitive ranged builds at all, so their melee builds are supposed to be a bit stronger than the ranged builds of other callings to maintain a fair balance.
i also have a level50 cleric, but to be fair, the cleric can do basically everything at its best in the game including high end raid tanking, support with DoL, and singletarget heals anyways with 3 trees dedicated to that. wouldnt really see a reason why clerics need to be on top of the dps chart as well. then you could just raid with 20 clerics, no need for anything else. why having 4 callings in the game?

[Alex113]

Fix scaling is what you're asking

fix shaman rng and increase the the values on dmging abilities by a few points (like go on BoJ from say.. 115light dmg to 120). But like you said, scaling would also work but that will probably require a rework of all the dps souls and i dont really trust Trion to do that very well any more

[Bond]

I do play a cleric and highly enjoy the class because of all the different roles we can play. If the raid needs an MT/OT - I can do it. If the raid needs dps - I can do it. If the raid needs healing - I can definitely do that. Vargas has some very valid points and I made them in a very brief post earlier when I was in a hurry but look at the utilization we have already:

Tanking - We are valid MTs for raids (I usually give way to a warrior during casting heavy bosses) and can hold AOE aggro easily with DOL overhealing spam. I'm in T1 gear with a couple pieces of T2 and am at the 1081 block soft cap already and we get an additional % boost from BOR.

Healing - We are the best healers in the game whether for raids with our instant large heals from -icar builds or for single target healing with shielding and healing in purifier along with having AOE cleanse and a hot-like cleanse.

DPS - We have crazy good AOE damage in cabalist that can also offer trash clearing heals (which makes trash clearing so much quicker, I love my cabicar) and utilization with all of the sigils. We have valid ST dps specs with inquisitor for ranged and jolt-n-bolt and shaman for melee.

Hammerknell has already been cleared utilizing 20 clerics, no other class can do that and what would be the point of having anything but clerics if we had the best melee and ranged dps or could match everyone else? Simply put, no other class can do ALL of the critical roles in a raid like we can (granted we don't have a bard/archon type role) - why should we be the best or be able to match the best at all of it too? I enjoy the class and the roles we play and haven't had the burning desire to create an alt because of what we can do.

[mattya802]

my 5 buttons > your 3

I don't count charge as a button

we also have 3 dots to manage. them being on similar timers makes it quite easy to manage as you'll only lose sync with them during BOD procs, but to say that 51 champ is as easy to play as bnj when you have fewer buttons and a charge doesn't seem accurate to me.

if being in melee is a hassle, try being a melee with cast times, no charge, and no speed buffs. i'm sure this would not sit well with a lot of the warrior community if this was their go to dps spec.

51 champ is way easier. That plus its AOE is amazing.... I don't know whats up with Trion always giving wars a good ST/AOE routine in 1 spec.
There is a harder variant for a bit more DPS, but the simple variant does well enough.

Cast times on J&B in melee range make this spec feel relatively unwieldy as compared to a war/rogue. Its not that the spec is difficult to master.... but its heck of a lot easier to make a mistake.

I think you guys are thinking of 9/6, not 13/2 which is our top ST spec. Also, with the BM crystal, the AoE isn't anything special in 13/2.

9/6 is extremely easy - Steelwinds rotation of 13/2 is not easy, nor is it 3 buttons and we also have 2 DoT's to manage. It's 6 buttons, plus charge btw.

I do agree that cast times in Melee is a pain and doesn't feel right, but to say it's more difficult cause you have to manage 2-3 DoT's is incorrect.

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

I think you guys are thinking of 9/6, not 13/2 which is our top ST spec. Also, with the BM crystal, the AoE isn't anything special in 13/2.

9/6 is extremely easy - Steelwinds rotation of 13/2 is not easy, nor is it 3 buttons and we also have 2 DoT's to manage. It's 6 buttons, plus charge btw.

I do agree that cast times in Melee is a pain and doesn't feel right, but to say it's more difficult cause you have to manage 2-3 DoT's is incorrect.

i was referring to 9/6 so my mistake

what is the dps disparity between the two specs?

[mistacrowley420]

i was referring to 9/6 so my mistake

what is the dps disparity between the two specs?

A good 300 ST my experience, AoE is better if you just swap crystals too. Pretty sure ranger is 2 macros... jus sayin give the cleric a little love.

[masakari81]

A good 300 ST my experience, AoE is better if you just swap crystals too. Pretty sure ranger is 2 macros... jus sayin give the cleric a little love.

I don't believe it is that much difference. Last I checked, it was definitely less than 200 ST... prob 100. But then again, my info is a few weeks old.

As for wanting a complicated/high dps spec.... just go roll a mage. Its not that difficult to start one. I highly doubt you'll want to stick with it though if you aren't already putting out very competitive dps on J&B.

[Lalothen]

Clerics: The Divas of the Rift Community

[mattya802]

I don't believe it is that much difference. Last I checked, it was definitely less than 200 ST... prob 100. But then again, my info is a few weeks old.

As for wanting a complicated/high dps spec.... just go roll a mage. Its not that difficult to start one. I highly doubt you'll want to stick with it though if you aren't already putting out very competitive dps on J&B.

Yah, maybe before people had refined/worked out the rotation of 13/2 it was only 100, but it's definitely near 300 now.

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

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[shp]

The one and only useful pure dps spec usable in ID is 51inq and still it's at least 300-400dps behind ranger rogues and even more behind mages. I'm healing more than ever in current meta (always been an offensive/supporting cleric), which isn't that bad thing considering it's a nice change for me, but really, cleric dps capabilites are **** now. I really hope Zinbik is planning something for 1.9.

[WriteThemWrong]

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You got my vote.