Cleric DPS is falling behind......again

[masakari81]

The one and only useful pure dps spec usable in ID is 51inq

51 Inq has never been competitive.
It is a brain dead simple spec. I will be strongly against any buff to this.

I haven't DPS'ed with cleric in ID as my guild needs the healing more, but I believe a few people have already stated they are using J&B in ID to great effect and are being very competitive in their DPS... so your statement is wrong.

[Noshei]

51 Inq has never been competitive.
It is a brain dead simple spec. I will be strongly against any buff to this.

I haven't DPS'ed with cleric in ID as my guild needs the healing more, but I believe a few people have already stated they are using J&B in ID to great effect and are being very competitive in their DPS... so your statement is wrong.

The only fight I could see JnB being even remotely possible is Ituziel, though this fight ii not friendly to melee at all and the regular downtime for melee would be bad for JnB.

Other than that, maybe drak, but that is another fight that is better for ranged.

Outside of those 2 fights, with the exception of the very buggy Maklamos, I can not see any other fight atm that would be good for JnB. I can see druid being capable on a few, though again I think that 51 Inq would still be able to win out.

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

51 Inq has never been competitive.
It is a brain dead simple spec. I will be strongly against any buff to this.

I haven't DPS'ed with cleric in ID as my guild needs the healing more, but I believe a few people have already stated they are using J&B in ID to great effect and are being very competitive in their DPS... so your statement is wrong.

Why should we not be able to do as much damage as rangers?

Also I've said this multiple times, but making shaman battle charge rooted ability 20pts into Shaman would be a great help.

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

Also, the jnb spec really is a spec that I doubt the devs who design our class or the boss fights think about as it suffers from very unique draw backs.

moa to 50% make shaman viable, make inquisitor viable

[Tarthalus]

Dear Cleric GODS,

Why are ppl so "ANAL" about our dps....CLERICS ARE {{{{{FINE}}}}}

If it isn't out Damage per second that's pissing ppl off it's our HPS....At this rate we should be able to just stand on an encounter and "Cheer" with all the nerfs coming our way(THANK YOU FOR THEM BTW)

Seems ye great wisdom can never satisfy the heathen of QQ's on here.

Just because most have to run a soul that they don't feel comfortable with or like to be 20% behind on dps. is not a reason to get all upset...geeez, it's not like you are forcing them to run a soul to be semi-viable in raids

PvP should have an effect on PvE....at least with healing(nvm...you got that covered brilliantly)

Keep up the good work and ty for making AoE dmg with cab not soo LEET anymore....You always make sense with your logic as ppl dont understand

That is all for now till I maketh another offering unto ye great wisdom of proism for us.

Oh and one last thing......CAN WE PLZ GET NERFED....WE CAN DO EVERYHTING IN THE GAME AND THAT ALONE SHOULD GET US NEFRED TO A POINT WERE PPL DON'T NEED US....PLZ PLZ PLZ

We are doing way too much HPS/DPS and Dmg Mitigation......At least make MOA 10% ....we are doing way too much from a tank...IMO

Ty for your time and I know many others believe this post is TRUE

I SAID IT ONCE AND ILL SAY IT AGAIN


CLERICS ARE FINE......DONT YOU ALL AGREE NOW

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

In regards to your troll, 20% behind (which clerics are not) would piss any class off beyond belief, and you're right about cabs being not so leet anymore in regards to aoe. Their top aoe spikes aren't sustainable and sabs spike higher while warriors are able to sustain their numbers throughout mobs dropping. It puts us in a poor place, but really, who cares about your dps on trash.

[toodles]

Keep up the good work and ty for making AoE dmg with cab not soo LEET anymore....You always make sense with your logic as ppl dont understand

??????????

I cant find any mention of nerfs on the patch notes to the caba.....plz elaborate

[Tarthalus]

In regards to your troll, 20% behind (which clerics are not) would piss any class off beyond belief, and you're right about cabs being not so leet anymore in regards to aoe. Their top aoe spikes aren't sustainable and sabs spike higher while warriors are able to sustain their numbers throughout mobs dropping. It puts us in a poor place, but really, who cares about your dps on trash.

Sir, as you have no reliable source as to what you are typing about....I assure you this is not trolling

Just giving my reverence to the Cleric GOD(S)

Ty and have a nice day

PS----> Cabs also do excellent dps on multiple adds on boss fights....which to me is too much.....cab aoe needs to get nerfed ASAP {{{{DON'T YOU AGREE}}}}

[Tarthalus]

??????????

I cant find any mention of nerfs on the patch notes to the caba.....plz elaborate

You don't need to nerf CAB AOE to make them not do viable aoe dps

GO FORTH NOW AND SEE THE LIGHT, ERR.....see the picture, w/e floats your boat

PLZ NERF CLERICS AROUND THE BOARD

Ty and have a nice day

[Sunfire]

There are no fights where Clerics are top rung DPS - even situationally - generally we are at the bottom.

There are no fights where Clerics are the best tanks - Warriors can always spec for superiority on a particular fight even if the gap has closed a bit.

Clerics are generally the best MT healers.

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It has been clearly stated by the Devs on multiple occasions that SOUL balance not CLASS balance is Trion's main goal.

Clerics are NOT intended to suffer a penalty to their DPS souls just because they have a healing soul nor are they meant to suffer one to their tanking soul for similar reasons.

Diversity between the classes is needed - some advantages in specialized situations for some classes more focussed on certain roles is appropriate. BUT Cleric DPS is WAY WAY WAY too low right now.

We have 4 DPS souls and none of those alone or in combination with each other or any of our other souls can produce a SINGLE spec that's capable of being competitive across an entire HK or ID run with any other class - that's BROKEN.

Mage's have > 5 specs and Rogues > 3 that can all outdps our best range spec (Inq/Sent/Cab) and melee spec (JnB).

[fD123]

Mage's have > 5 specs and Rogues > 3 that can all outdps our best range spec (Inq/Sent/Cab) and melee spec (JnB).

mage absolutely do NOT have 5 specs that outdps JnB. they have two. and i'm pretty sure rogues only have one spec, maybe two.

good effort though

[Harmarofwhitecastle]

Only two

My goodnesss

[masakari81]

Why should we not be able to do as much damage as rangers?

It is my opinion that rangers should be nerfed... maybe to match 51 inq? Either that or just change how ranger is played... I find it irritating that bad's can now get top DPS just coz the spec is OP.

The 2 mage specs that can out DPS clerics are not easy to play. The face-roll-on-keyboard equivalent to 51 inq is the 51 pyro... I think they're DPS is similar.

[Lalothen]

It has been clearly stated by the Devs on multiple occasions that SOUL balance not CLASS balance is Trion's main goal.

Clerics are NOT intended to suffer a penalty to their DPS souls just because they have a healing soul nor are they meant to suffer one to their tanking soul for similar reasons.

Soul and class balance are irrevocably intertwined, because the moment you tip the balance in favour of a single class by offering it up to players as being able to be at or near the top of the charts whatever the role, then by virtue of this the other classes are made partially obsolete.

The thing is, you can get the job done with a Cleric DPS or Cleric tank - they do everything more than adequately, whilst excelling at healing. What other class does everything like that? Mages can't tank. Rogues can't heal (well, apart from what you get out of a bard spec). Warriors can't heal OR support.

Frankly there's more of a case for the other callings to gain more diversity in terms of viable specs, than there is to have non-BnJ Cleric DPS specs bumped up to the point where they have chart-topping potential.

Also, MoA to 50%? No thanks, the *****ery from players of the other callings would be enormous - and justified, no less.

[Ahov]

The only fight I could see JnB being even remotely possible is Ituziel, though this fight ii not friendly to melee at all and the regular downtime for melee would be bad for JnB.

Other than that, maybe drak, but that is another fight that is better for ranged.

Outside of those 2 fights, with the exception of the very buggy Maklamos, I can not see any other fight atm that would be good for JnB. I can see druid being capable on a few, though again I think that 51 Inq would still be able to win out.

+Rusila Dreadblade, +Laethys