The best 51 Inquisitor

[Ahov]

It would seem that at my spell power level the classic 51/10/5 warden spec is not performing up to par any more. It's overshadowed by 51/10/5 cabalist

At a glance

51 Inq/10 sent/5 cab- 2056 SP. Armor of Awakening+Inq. crystal+corporal punishment

*Vex- 735 crit 387 noncrit
*Bolt of Judgment- 2337 crit, 1227 noncrit
*Sanction Heretic: 7747
*Bolt of Depravity: 4674;

51 Inq/10sent/5warden- 1977 SP., same buffs

*Vex- 751, 395 noncrit
*Bolt of judgment- 2259, 1186
*Sanction Heretic: 7901
*Bolt of Depravity: 4516;

Cab spec gains ~3.5% damage on bolt of judgment
Cab spec gains ~3.5% damage on bolt of depravity

Inq. spec gains ~2% on Sanction Heretic
Inq. spec gains ~2.15% on Vex

Did not test nysyr's rebuke, but the cabalist spec would see an increase in effectiveness. The very large numbers, as seen in Sanction Heretic and Bolt of Depravity, combine assumed crits for the initial hit and ticks.

It's worth seeing a relevant breakdown of the top cleric's sicaron parse

33% Bolt of Judgment
26.7% Sanction Heretic
17.8% Bolt of Depravity
12.1% Vex
5.7% Nysyr's Rebuke

Another guild cleric confirmed this spec to be an increase on the dummy with the same buffs.

Edit: this can be explained by two primary factors. Sanction Heretic and Vex already have huge modifiers, so the 10% from warden winds up contributing much less than a multiplicative 10% would. Also, your spellpower amount may contribute to Warden being worse at lower levels. However, I did not test this spec at the lower SP levels. I will do so later for a comparison.

[Alex113]

Ive been using it with cab since ~a week ago when i had to respec my tank build to full inq for the 3rd boss in RotF. We weren't using a bard tho and since im using focus runes instead of crit ones i didnt get that great dps. Should do some pretty good dmg in a 20man tho. Will be trying this next week for sure

[Eughe]

Always used cab over warden personally.

I thought this was said many moons ago however due to the reasons stated here.

[Elenvin]

Personally I've always been running Cabalist over Warden. Considering the usual spell breakdown, it shouldn't come as a surprise that a 5% SP bonus outperforms the 10% DOT damage increase on a dummy / stationary fight.

On the other hand though, on a movement heavy fight I would expect it to be visa versa.

[Runkett]

I have it on good authority Shaman is the highest DPS spec for clerics.

However, should you require range at the cost of dps - it could even be worth going 46/10/10 as the bolts are where most of the damage is now, so shifting more points to boost them could be worth it, with the dots taking a small hit.

[Malark]

I even gave 51i/15c/0d a go and had the fairie smashing it up for extra deeps. Didnt seem to be far behind if at all.

[MaddBomber83]

I have it on good authority Shaman is the highest DPS spec for clerics.

However, should you require range at the cost of dps - it could even be worth going 46/10/10 as the bolts are where most of the damage is now, so shifting more points to boost them could be worth it, with the dots taking a small hit.

If you are referring to Zib's post you completely missed what he was saying. Hint, just because he says it is true, does not make it true.

[Proxeneta]

The small DPS differience going 5 Cab its not nearly enough to make up for the loss of Waterjet during movement, that is why many like myself still keep 5 Warden. In the end it balances out quite well.

[rFrozen]

It would seem that at my spell power level the classic 51/10/5 warden spec is not performing up to par any more. It's overshadowed by 51/10/5 cabalist

At a glance

51 Inq/10 sent/5 cab- 2056 SP. Armor of Awakening+Inq. crystal+corporal punishment

*Vex- 735 crit 387 noncrit
*Bolt of Judgment- 2337 crit, 1227 noncrit
*Sanction Heretic: 7747
*Bolt of Depravity: 4674;

51 Inq/10sent/5warden- 1977 SP., same buffs

*Vex- 751, 395 noncrit
*Bolt of judgment- 2259, 1186
*Sanction Heretic: 7901
*Bolt of Depravity: 4516;

Cab spec gains ~3.5% damage on bolt of judgment
Cab spec gains ~3.5% damage on bolt of depravity

Inq. spec gains ~2% on Sanction Heretic
Inq. spec gains ~2.15% on Vex

Did not test nysyr's rebuke, but the cabalist spec would see an increase in effectiveness. The very large numbers, as seen in Sanction Heretic and Bolt of Depravity, combine assumed crits for the initial hit and ticks.

It's worth seeing a relevant breakdown of the top cleric's sicaron parse

33% Bolt of Judgment
26.7% Sanction Heretic
17.8% Bolt of Depravity
12.1% Vex
5.7% Nysyr's Rebuke

Another guild cleric confirmed this spec to be an increase on the dummy with the same buffs.

Edit: this can be explained by two primary factors. Sanction Heretic and Vex already have huge modifiers, so the 10% from warden winds up contributing much less than a multiplicative 10% would. Also, your spellpower amount may contribute to Warden being worse at lower levels. However, I did not test this spec at the lower SP levels. I will do so later for a comparison.

So u hit 7.5-8k SH and 700 vex? that is not possible .... i have same sp as u (hell when everything procs i have more maybe u too idk) and my SH hits for 2k less and my vex for 400 more ... so i think u kinda messed up the numbers ...


On pts my highest parse wasn`t with 51/10/5 (either 5 cab or warden) ... i parsed http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...0t.ExoVgx0qz.V every single time like 150 more (with SH>LH>BoJ spam and jolt macroed to this spam , to BoD and to Vex) . I know u have to be in melee and mobility is low .... but i just pointed out that this build out parses 51 (also pre-4hk and with 4hk)

[Boromir]

I have it on good authority Shaman is the highest DPS spec for clerics.

However, should you require range at the cost of dps - it could even be worth going 46/10/10 as the bolts are where most of the damage is now, so shifting more points to boost them could be worth it, with the dots taking a small hit.

There is no point doen a 46 inq as 51 would be much more of an increase to inq

[Valdis43]

So u hit 7.5-8k SH and 700 vex? that is not possible .... i have same sp as u (hell when everything procs i have more maybe u too idk) and my SH hits for 2k less and my vex for 400 more ... so i think u kinda messed up the numbers ...


On pts my highest parse wasn`t with 51/10/5 (either 5 cab or warden) ... i parsed http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...0t.ExoVgx0qz.V every single time like 150 more (with SH>LH>BoJ spam and jolt macroed to this spam , to BoD and to Vex) . I know u have to be in melee and mobility is low .... but i just pointed out that this build out parses 51 (also pre-4hk and with 4hk)

I'm pretty sure that vex number is per tick, not total. And yes, I have gotten very good parses out of similar 21 shaman builds as well. Jolt is very powerful. But in practice, I've found its a hard build to use. Casting in melee sucks, I prefer to be lazy and stay at range.

This all makes me wonder if it isn't worth going 6 cabalist to pick up obliterate? Its SP coefficient is less than BoJ's, but it should still hit a bit harder. Not sure its worth losing the procs from BoJ though.

[intrinsc]

Do you suggest this for a Raid Tier 1 geared cleric?

[xAerose]

The small DPS differience going 5 Cab its not nearly enough to make up for the loss of Waterjet during movement, that is why many like myself still keep 5 Warden. In the end it balances out quite well.

Yea you got me thinking about this too. Practicing on a stationary dummy is one thing but PVP requires a lot of movement and I don't see how these numbers will make up for the loss of waterjet. Probably a dandy spec for PVE though.

[rFrozen]

I'm pretty sure that vex number is per tick, not total. And yes, I have gotten very good parses out of similar 21 shaman builds as well. Jolt is very powerful. But in practice, I've found its a hard build to use. Casting in melee sucks, I prefer to be lazy and stay at range.

This all makes me wonder if it isn't worth going 6 cabalist to pick up obliterate? Its SP coefficient is less than BoJ's, but it should still hit a bit harder. Not sure its worth losing the procs from BoJ though.

after the changes go live i`m gonna try the 21 shaman build in sicaron ...wanna see how high it can get ...

vex first hit is equal to the ticks ... his numbers are wrong cuz with similar sp as his or more idk ... my BoD hits harder then his not by much , same with BoJ , same with vex ... but my SH hits for 2k less so that is just impossible and that is why i said his numbers are totally wrong

[Redcruxs]

On pts my highest parse wasn`t with 51/10/5 (either 5 cab or warden) ... i parsed http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...0t.ExoVgx0qz.V every single time like 150 more (with SH>LH>BoJ spam and jolt macroed to this spam , to BoD and to Vex) . I know u have to be in melee and mobility is low .... but i just pointed out that this build out parses 51 (also pre-4hk and with 4hk)

yes we all already knew that a hybrid inq + jolt parsed higher, the problem is being in melee without mobility = death. it MIGHT be viable on some fights where you don't have to move, but i wouldn't test my luck