Tanking Clerics/ Trion Please repond want your thoughts

[Soulis]

Cleric mitigation on top of the healing constantly makes them far superior to Warriors at hold aggro currently.. I have played all the way to level 40 and it still remains the same... My question to Trion ... Is this what is intended? My buddy plays one and litterally it is a one button mash to hold threat on a AOE group or a single target to get massive hate... Is this going to be balanced out? Or is this what you want and warriors are going to be used as a dps class?... As of right now myself being a warrior I would take a cleric tank over a war tank atm... I would think with all the tanking souls you give the warrior threat generation would be alot better and superior to other classes/ and mitigation should be better than all other non plate wearers... I just want to know if I should reroll and be cleric lol

[Myrdynn]

outside of Reaver, warrior tanks are intended to be single target tanks.

Riftstalkers and Justicars are the aoe tanks

[Soulis]

outside of Reaver, warrior tanks are intended to be single target tanks.

Riftstalkers and Justicars are the aoe tanks

Yeah I get that I have multple tanking specs but the issue is even in reaver... aoe and single target... clerics migate damage alot better... More so than warriors I think it is unbalanced honestly I can show videos of us 3 manning 2 and 3 levels below mob level because of cleric tanks which I couldnt do and I am well geared and specced the best I could be for single and aoe situations...

[Drathek]

i play a high pally/med warlord build when tanking and i have no problems with aoe aggro. Guys need to read more of their abilities. I have multiple aoe taunts, several aoe styles that build aggro, and a aoe finisher to build more. Easily tanked 6 mobs at a time last night in Kings Breach.

That being said i played a justicar tank in beta and it was pretty solid too so im not complaining one way or the other.

[Vesem]

It's comments like OP's that made tanking in WoW no longer fun. They took the uniqueness out of all the classes in order to make them all equal and then they all became bland. Please quit complaining.

[Zigkirby]

Cleric mitigation on top of the healing constantly makes them far superior to Warriors at hold aggro currently.. I have played all the way to level 40 and it still remains the same... My question to Trion ... Is this what is intended? My buddy plays one and litterally it is a one button mash to hold threat on a AOE group or a single target to get massive hate... Is this going to be balanced out? Or is this what you want and warriors are going to be used as a dps class?... As of right now myself being a warrior I would take a cleric tank over a war tank atm... I would think with all the tanking souls you give the warrior threat generation would be alot better and superior to other classes/ and mitigation should be better than all other non plate wearers... I just want to know if I should reroll and be cleric lol

Each tank has a different strength and weakness, Justicars hold AoE threat well, but burn their mana doing it, making the pace slower. They also are weak to disarms AND silences. They also suck at pulling.

[Eughe]

Each tank has a different strength and weakness, Justicars hold AoE threat well, but burn their mana doing it, making the pace slower. They also are weak to disarms AND silences. They also suck at pulling.

Er...no, not really. The only true problem with pulling is if there is another tank trying to take aggro and our pull debuff (the ones that forces a mob to come to them) get resisted, then we cant force pull the mob off another tank, but we if we start wailing on it, it wouldnt take long to get and keep aggro.

The only problem with a justi is that silence completely shuts us down (which a healer should help with) and mana issues which is a meh, at most.
We do seem to trump warriors in overall mitigation and upkeep. As well as have better support for the party in general, which is a two birds/one stone thing.

[whistlingwind]

If I was you I would stay warrior, at least you know some of your souls are way OP, and when your bored you can play them.

If you roll cleric you might be a good tank or healer, but you will be waiting a while for the DPS department to catch up from the damage levels and view of the community.

If you enjoy those roles immensely then go for it, if not stay warrior.

[Chaplainar]

Warriors crying makes me die inside, I have a lvl 25 Riftblade alt, lvl 30 cleric atm, and frankly, Riftblades LOL all the way through PvP, instance dps, multimob questing, ect.

Try leveling as a dps cleric, then cry about us being OP in some respects...

[Detill5869]

Reaver soul simply has more AE threat abilities. Justicar soul only has a few. At 41 cleric 39 justicar/ 8 shaman/ 7 druid I have zero problems with mana, I actually never seem to have to use Purpose.
I have no charge and 26 points in shaman in order to get charge seems rather stupid. The range threat of Bolt of radiance is nice and the cooldown isn't too long. Righteous Imperative is 60sec cooldown and while I can spam frontal ae from Even justice to maintain my Precept of Refuge I must apply it every 8 seconds and have 1 conviction available. I also have no debuffs at all in the justicar tree unless I put points into stuns/root/slows. Doctrine of Valiance is very lackluster in damage. With this build I do have trickster spirit but damage is reduced by 40% of other souls while having Mien of Leadership active.

Clearly you all have little experience of playing a Justicar. Warrior tanks have more damage and more ways to grab aggro and keep it on multiple mobs. Warlord has some very strong group buffs and Aspects which increase warrior survivability.

As Eughe commented on when silenced we're dependant on our healer to remove and slows again healer needs to remove. Cleric tanks without multiple threat building abilities and less mobility suffer if heals aren't removing debuffs.

[Soulis]

Warriors crying makes me die inside, I have a lvl 25 Riftblade alt, lvl 30 cleric atm, and frankly, Riftblades LOL all the way through PvP, instance dps, multimob questing, ect.

Try leveling as a dps cleric, then cry about us being OP in some respects...

Nobodys crying troll.... there is truth in what I am saying ... a cleric shouldnt be able to have instant threat and a cleric that really knows how to play one has no trouble getting it and keeping it almost instantly I am just wanting to see better threat building in the warrior trees... why should one class get to have instant aggro while other class has to work for it... I think every class should have to build aggro not get it instantly.... clerics have a buff that increases there threat massively ... on top of hate that generated by heals.... and anyone that says they have no problems doesn't group with one on a regular basis lol that knows what they are doing... I am not saying not let them tank just need to lower there threat generation make them work for hate like I do

[jwplayer0]

actually warrior tanks are pretty weak if your spec'ing them out to pull aggro and live. But again, its a tank, so dont expect to much damage out of him. If you wan to take out a cleric tank, their a specific warrior spec (forgot which one) that lowers the healing a taget takes by like 50% or something, that can **** over any healer honestly

[Detill5869]

Ok, where is my Essence of Weakness move in the cleric souls??

Where's my charge which doesn't require a huge investment in a mdps soul?

[Detill5869]

Nobodys crying troll.... there is truth in what I am saying ... a cleric shouldnt be able to have instant threat and a cleric that really knows how to play one has no trouble getting it and keeping it almost instantly I am just wanting to see better threat building in the warrior trees... why should one class get to have instant aggro while other class has to work for it... I think every class should have to build aggro not get it instantly.... clerics have a buff that increases there threat massively ... on top of hate that generated by heals.... and anyone that says they have no problems doesn't group with one on a regular basis lol that knows what they are doing... I am not saying not let them tank just need to lower there threat generation make them work for hate like I do

You play a warrior? what are you talking about better threat moves? Warrior souls, paladin/reaver/warlord have copies of justicar and then some. Paladins Reprisal, Lights Decree, Scales of justice, a disarm DEBUFF!!, Shield charge A CHARGE!!, Face slam 6 SEC CD INTERRUPT, Pacifiying strike 8 SEC DEBUFF no cd. Cracking skulls another Warlord AE taunt, Pin target single target taunt and root, Seargents order, Inercept.

Think you need to go back to the warrior forums and learn your abilities.

[Sycoman2]

Nobodys crying troll.... there is truth in what I am saying ... a cleric shouldnt be able to have instant threat and a cleric that really knows how to play one has no trouble getting it and keeping it almost instantly I am just wanting to see better threat building in the warrior trees... why should one class get to have instant aggro while other class has to work for it... I think every class should have to build aggro not get it instantly.... clerics have a buff that increases there threat massively ... on top of hate that generated by heals.... and anyone that says they have no problems doesn't group with one on a regular basis lol that knows what they are doing... I am not saying not let them tank just need to lower there threat generation make them work for hate like I do

I'm honestly not sure what the **** you just tried to say here but i will respond to your comment on our "massive threat" buff.

Here is a link to all the abilities granted by 51 in justicar. Read it.
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00...lities_Granted


Now...
Did one, SINGLE, ability in that list say "generates additional threat"?
No?
Thats why we have a buff that gives us extra threat. Now **** till you get a clue.