1.8/1.9 Reaver Tanking

[TheGrinnz]

well with my 38/16/12 dont need the extra dodge or parry and all the extra calls raid buffed im blocking bout 96% of the attacks and taking barely any damage as is so it kinda useless for extra chances that wont happen cause its only 3% anyways

the other main tanks in my guild use that build and use the war crystal and they take a ton more damage then i do in my build so just saying that i think my build has more mit then that one just by looking at tanks in raids

The point of the damage mitigation is for magical attacks and physical attacks that cannot be blocked. This happens a lot in raids. If blocked attacks were all that mattered, high Paladin would be a viable raiding build. For either blocked or unblocked physical damage you can get the same amount of mitigation from the 38/20/8 point spread.

[TINYd]

k i tried fixing my last post but ran out of time to edit it lol but im still not taking any damage from magic or the elemites so i dont know what else u want me to say i think that 20 war is just a waste of mit my self even with those calls but its ur pref what u think and what i think just giving my opinion

[TheGrinnz]

k i tried fixing my last post but ran out of time to edit it lol but im still not taking any damage from magic or the elemites so i dont know what else u want me to say i think that 20 war is just a waste of mit my self even with those calls but its ur pref what u think and what i think just giving my opinion

If you think anything is a "waste of mit" then you are missing the point of these builds.

[TINYd]

i did not say that u r putting words in my mouth now i said that i think my build has better mit then urs and that is my opinion from having other warrior tanks with the build u r useing so stop putting words into my mouth i cant help it that my build seems to have better mit then urs from proven encounters in raids and such the other war tanks r using the war crystal too with that 38/20/8 build they go down alot faster then my 38/16/12 build so dont want to hear anymore bout mit this mit that call this call that


oh and by the way how long u been playing rift for looks like ur r still a noob joined feb of 2012 wow not even a year yet noob

[TheGrinnz]

i did not say that u r putting words in my mouth now i said that i think my build has better mit then urs and that is my opinion from having other warrior tanks with the build u r useing so stop putting words into my mouth i cant help it that my build seems to have better mit then urs from proven encounters in raids and such the other war tanks r using the war crystal too with that 38/20/8 build they go down alot faster then my 38/16/12 build so dont want to hear anymore bout mit this mit that call this call that


oh and by the way how long u been playing rift for looks like ur r still a noob joined feb of 2012 wow not even a year yet noob

Quite simply, they're doing it wrong.

You still haven't told me what points you took out of Warlord.

And nice attempt at an insult, keeping it classy.

Both point spreads can achieve either the maximum block bonus or the maximum physical mitigation for unblocked hits (but not both at the same time), the advantages of the 38/20/8 are unrelated to that and I have already listed them.

[TINYd]

still going on bout how ur **** is better dam and here is a link noob


http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1c...udkI0k.E0oz.-7


and yes they r playing it right they r not noobs like u

[TheGrinnz]

Your build maximizes block mitigation against physical attacks, but loses the ability to keep the crystal and dodge bonuses up, and significant threat from Aggressive Guardian and the second call ability. For experts and completely physical blockable damage and no high DPS, that's great, but I would go with the VK/Pal/WL or a high Paladin build for that.

Unfortunately raid bosses are not all that, and that's what these builds are for.

[TINYd]

wow high paly builds r useless since 1.6 and my mit is just fine its actually above average like i have been telling u mit also goes with what gear u have and dps as a tank is not that important if u keep aggro dont know where u learned to tank but what u have been saying is all wrong go bank to tanking 101 please and start from the beginning thank ypu come back when u can tank with the big boys

[TheGrinnz]

Have fun with that.

[Souldancer]

You shouldn't have even acknowledged him, much less fed him. I also see that the guy who declared the 38\28 fail hasn't been back with anything to support his claim.

[TheGrinnz]

You shouldn't have even acknowledged him, much less fed him. I also see that the guy who declared the 38\28 fail hasn't been back with anything to support his claim.

Yeah probably shouldn't have but I had nothing better to do.

[Bloodbourne]

Also, either Armor and Physical Mit don't stack additively (in which case Armor is worth even less) or there's some kind of cap on total physical mitigation, because otherwise high level gear could get you to 100% physical mitigation in either spec...

There are DR on armor, but at higher armor lvls its also worth more for each %. Going from 0-1% armor is less Dmg Reduction than going from 66-67%. It just takes more armor to get there.

I didn't go anywhere, I just get banned a lot. People don't like being called out for being dumbasses. Now, to get back to what I was saying....

OVERALL after everything is said and done, 38rv/20wl/8pl is more mitigation than 38rv/28vk. You're looking at just the flat DR. Which is fine. On paper, looking at that, it is better, but missing out on 10% armor + calls + cutting + 15% (up to 25% if spec'd for it) block, its not just about taking a spec at facevalue and saying HERP DERP its 2% more! No... You're bringing utility and more PASSIVE mitigation overall, not to mention your AVG mitigation is much much higher. There is really no reason to run anything else, besides maybe a 44rv spec for ituziel >.>

If you want to run 38rv/28vk, by all means, on any unblockable attack you'll mitigate the same amount within ~1% more/less of the guy running 38/20/8 for every other attack that CAN be blocked, enjoy taking 10-15% more dmg overall. In the end, it comes down you wheter you want to help your raid or not. Whether you want to help your healers on trash pulls. 25% more str in no way makes up for anything the WL/PL build offers, especially since any decently geared warrior is well above the soft cap for block.

[TheGrinnz]

There are DR on armor, but at higher armor lvls its also worth more for each %. Going from 0-1% armor is less Dmg Reduction than going from 66-67%. It just takes more armor to get there.

I didn't go anywhere, I just get banned a lot. People don't like being called out for being dumbasses. Now, to get back to what I was saying....

OVERALL after everything is said and done, 38rv/20wl/8pl is more mitigation than 38rv/28vk. You're looking at just the flat DR. Which is fine. On paper, looking at that, it is better, but missing out on 10% armor + calls + cutting + 15% (up to 25% if spec'd for it) block, its not just about taking a spec at facevalue and saying HERP DERP its 2% more! No... You're bringing utility and more PASSIVE mitigation overall, not to mention your AVG mitigation is much much higher. There is really no reason to run anything else, besides maybe a 44rv spec for ituziel >.>

If you want to run 38rv/28vk, by all means, on any unblockable attack you'll mitigate the same amount within ~1% more/less of the guy running 38/20/8 for every other attack that CAN be blocked, enjoy taking 10-15% more dmg overall. In the end, it comes down you wheter you want to help your raid or not. Whether you want to help your healers on trash pulls. 25% more str in no way makes up for anything the WL/PL build offers, especially since any decently geared warrior is well above the soft cap for block.

The only thing I agree with here is that the extra block chance from WL and Pal is worth a lot when you are soft-capped on block. Everything else I have accounted for.

Not sure where you got 25% block though, you get 5% each from WL passive, Pal passive, and Shield of the Hero. The bonus from Aggressive Block is available in both builds if you were including that.

[Wylt]

still going on bout how ur **** is better dam and here is a link noob


http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1c...udkI0k.E0oz.-7


and yes they r playing it right they r not noobs like u

That spec is bad. Not going deep enough into WL for Cutting Distraction is dumb. And for that matter, Promise of Steel hits harder than Sweeping Strikes... Sorry, your build is mediocre at best and you talk like an idiot. Don't expect anyone to take you seriously with that attitude and poor grammar, especially when you can't even back your mouth up with "the goods".

[Bloodbourne]

The only thing I agree with here is that the extra block chance from WL and Pal is worth a lot when you are soft-capped on block. Everything else I have accounted for.

Not sure where you got 25% block though, you get 5% each from WL passive, Pal passive, and Shield of the Hero. The bonus from Aggressive Block is available in both builds if you were including that.

This is true, but regardless of how you do it, WL/PL is going to be the better spec all around. Just bringing cutting alone is worth more than anything else you'd get from VK. IF you're looking at avg mitigation WL/PL is higher. If you're looking at passive, they're equal. It's not really a competition between two viable specs, its a preHK 4pc spec VS an endgame spec. If you're in endgame content, you should be running WL/PL. If you're herpin around in HK, by all means, spec how you want.

Someone once called me a "Special Snowflake" for enjoying playing deep paladin over 51VK back in the day. The reason you could get away with less mitigation specs and high avg mitigation specs was because of the damage you were taking (far lower and very little unblockable) and the fact that there were no caps to block yet. Now, when the difference in 5% mitigation can get you killed pretty easily, and with the tight DPS checks. You can't really afford to be a "Special Snowflake". 38rv/20wl/8pl. Otherwise you're doing a disservice to your raid.

As a side note, if you're reliably tanking with another warrior who runs wl/pl, use your noodle, of course in that situation you can use 38/28 if you so choose. But if you're add tanking/OT then WL/PL will be better because of the higher avg mitigation. But, if someone is running cutting, by all means, run whichever you prefer.