1.8 DPS Specs - Miniguides

[Azunia]

Did you mean this the other way around - with Proper Timing first?

~ Red

Fixed. Also changed 43/23 to 38/28

[batou079]

Ok.

So last night we went into id. I paid attention to the Titan's Strike crits again.
Sure enough they ALWAYS hit single target higher than BF or Punishing. I went as high as 7.3k with TS, and only as high as 6.8k BFs rarely. (assuming buffs lined up perfectly).

As well, when i AoE'd trash, Titans Strike is 100% confirmed as a DPS LOSS for AoE. Due to a bugged distribution of AoE dmg. No where in the skill tooltip does it say reduced damage to multiple targets so this can only be a bug. For single target rotation, it is always a DPS gain for me.

As for deathblow, it hits about teh same as TS, but is spammable after 30% unlike TS.
The issue remains, it is also bugged... no extra AP from Destroyers Bearing. the amount of bugs we are already finding, we should really maintain a running bug list again...

Anywhoo, i am happy with warrior dps in raids again... we are back to being competitive... with rogues/mages still pulling insane numbers, we can hang with em now!

[mattya802]

Sweet, so toss TS above BF in the macro? Works for me.

[Soulsurfing]

^sounds like win. Ill prob do ts > db > punishing as my st only finish macro. In the event i need to do st only when adds inc. When adds not inc ts db bf. If mob isnt 30% then bf will go off.

That said has anyone tested raid scaled 38/22/6 yet for dw. I know youre all jiz zing in your pantses over 51/9/6. But one of the fights has some disconnects so i wanna try it out. Wondering what its capable of in a raid setting

[mattya802]

I thought DB in a macro caused the same type of macro lag as RW, since it's another check the game/server has to do?

[Hardcore666]

38/28/0 rb/champ/vk
Slayer's Bearing
Frenzied Strike

vs

51/15/0 rb/champ/vk
Avatar of the Rift

Is the 1st really a dps increase over the later for a 2H build?

Cannot test till Sunday.

[batou079]

I thought DB in a macro caused the same type of macro lag as RW, since it's another check the game/server has to do?

Pretty sure you are correct. I currently make a seperate DB macro with PT above it and FS below it for 30% HP/below fights.

@Soulsurfing. Doesn't Bladefury do more damage on single target than Punishing if your AP is @ 1300?
my AP is at about 1280 pre raid buff, so i stick to BF in single target, plus with champ crystal that is another 20% bonus.

i highly suggest changing out PB for BF and try it if you are at that AP level.
Additionally, TS is an AoE loss so people may want to use BF seperately for AoE fights.
Sadly this means extra buttons, until Trion officially declares TS working as intended or fixes the bug.

[badrsadiq]

can someone post the best Soul Talent for 51 BM ? am little confiused on where I should spend my last 15 points in Champions.

It's Titan's Strength Vs Take No Prisoners


note: Deadly strikes, when i put soul points in them i dont notice any increase in my non finisher abilities tooltips unlike Take no presinors I notice the change on my finishers tooltips

[Azunia]

I thought DB in a macro caused the same type of macro lag as RW, since it's another check the game/server has to do?

As long they don't fix the AP bug with DB and Destoryer's Bearing its no use to use DB anyway. But yes you should use DB manually.

[batou079]

As long they don't fix the AP bug with DB and Destoryer's Bearing its no use to use DB anyway. But yes you should use DB manually.

DB is hitting as hard as Titan's Strike for single target, spammable @ 30% HP.
even without the extra AP, my DPS goes up. Sadly it just means it does NOT synergize timing very well with FB uptime. Basically you lose a little to gain a little more...

Ok, Intrinsic pointed out something and it makes sense why Titan's Strike is an AoE DPS loss... wording just never made sense to me...

Titan's Strike Rank 4
A massive strike that deals weapon plus Physical damage. Up to 5 adjacent enemies take Physical damage based on Attack Power:
1 Point: 119 damage, 1 damage per 7 Attack Power.
2 Points: 209 damage, 1 damage per 5 Attack Power.
3 Points: 298 damage, 1 damage per 3 Attack Power.

Basically your your TARGET damage is the flat dmg # (298 in this example) scaled with your buffs. All *ADDITIONAL* targets only take their damage based on your attack power, in this case 1 dmg per 3 AP scaled with your buffs. Sadly this hits for MUCH less damage on multiple targets then BF.

So... use @ roughly 1300+ AP use Titans/BF on single target rotation. BF only for AoE.
Titan's/Punishing if you are a good deal under 1300 AP. This is after testing the build before and after i redid my stats for more AP.

[Steelwind]

DB is hitting as hard as Titan's Strike for single target, spammable @ 30% HP.
even without the extra AP, my DPS goes up. Sadly it just means it does NOT synergize timing very well with FB uptime. Basically you lose a little to gain a little more...

Ok, Intrinsic pointed out something and it makes sense why Titan's Strike is an AoE DPS loss... wording just never made sense to me...


Basically your your TARGET damage is the flat dmg # (298 in this example) scaled with your buffs. All *ADDITIONAL* targets only take their damage based on your attack power, in this case 1 dmg per 3 AP scaled with your buffs. Sadly this hits for MUCH less damage on multiple targets then BF.

So... use @ roughly 1300+ AP use Titans/BF on single target rotation. BF only for AoE.
Titan's/Punishing if you are a good deal under 1300 AP. This is after testing the build before and after i redid my stats for more AP.

And I truly do not know what Atrius was thinking when he changed Titan's Strike. One of the low points of 1.8. Titan's Strike is obselete with the presence of Bladefury. For a 30 point ability, it is a complete downgrade from Bladefury, a 26 point ability.

[batou079]

And I truly do not know what Atrius was thinking when he changed Titan's Strike. One of the low points of 1.8. Titan's Strike is obselete with the presence of Bladefury. For a 30 point ability, it is a complete downgrade from Bladefury, a 26 point ability.

For AoE, yes. Single target, it hits harder than Deathblow for me. :P

So yes, as an AoE skill, it is useless. BF has been such a universal finisher for so long, not sure why they can't make a 31 pt skill that actually performs best in its function... *shrug*

[Sularus]

I'm seriously failing somewhere on the 2.2 Spec, I couldn't break 900 with it and I know I am miffing the rotation somehow. I also don't have the 4pc so I am using titans. Haven't tried 2.1 yet but I will tonight maybe I'll have more success with.

[mattya802]

One thing to note here - Don't forget to train up Icy Burst! I almost forgot when I built the new 38/22/6 build.

[batou079]

I'm seriously failing somewhere on the 2.2 Spec, I couldn't break 900 with it and I know I am miffing the rotation somehow. I also don't have the 4pc so I am using titans. Haven't tried 2.1 yet but I will tonight maybe I'll have more success with.

51/9/6, and most new builds rely on good finisher management, instead of 1-2 macros only, we now have 3-4 on nearly all speccs.

for this build specfically practice the rotation without even paying attention to the damage.
Get the rotation down to the point where you don't have to think about it too much, basically re-building new muscle memory.

disruptive can line up perfectly, even not having 100% FB uptime is ok.
DS for every FB.
2x BFs after every FB.
CB takes the place of BF when its off cooldown.
thats it!