Val's Rising Waterfall Macro Guide for 38/26/2 (2 Hand)

[Kruunch]

Just out of curiosity, why can't we just include RW in the main macro instead of having separate?

You can (and most do) .... but your off GCDs will step on your RW procs (i.e. when you use an interrupt or Frenzied strike that has just come off cool down but after you've hit an AP builder (and thus activated a followup attack (RW)) it will cancel the followup proc).

[Vaelfear]

You can (and most do) .... but your off GCDs will step on your RW procs (i.e. when you use an interrupt or Frenzied strike that has just come off cool down but after you've hit an AP builder (and thus activated a followup attack (RW)) it will cancel the followup proc).

Thx kindly, thats what I figured would be the case.

Where would the cast line for RW be placed if it were included in the main macro? I'd like to parse the DPS diff. between the two macro setups.

[StrikeQ]

You can (and most do) .... but your off GCDs will step on your RW procs (i.e. when you use an interrupt or Frenzied strike that has just come off cool down but after you've hit an AP builder (and thus activated a followup attack (RW)) it will cancel the followup proc).

Not just oGCDs, any ability (SLI, FB etc).

[Valthirus]

fixed macro for 10x easier rotation. just spam RW macro till rw goes off, then spam power strike macro til 3APs then spam finisher macro and start over.

also if i am not mistaken, you only want 1/3 grim satisfaction.

This is definitely an alternative, but I'm aiming for about 2 fiery bursts per SLI and try to fit in as many RW as possible... It's possible to do what I'm aiming for with those macros, but there's really no rotation involved. I am going back and forth between my Power Strike and RW macro and putting on a Fiery Burst as quick as possible right after I pop SLI and then waiting until it ticks out before putting another Fiery Burst on. In that downtime I go past 3 APs and I am spamming Power Strike and RW.

As for 1/3 Grim Satisfaction, I suppose the 7-9 ap is worth it. I'll have to try that out.

[Valthirus]

Thx kindly, thats what I figured would be the case.

Where would the cast line for RW be placed if it were included in the main macro? I'd like to parse the DPS diff. between the two macro setups.

At the top, but you are really gimping your RW DPS if you put Off GCDs in your macro... For max DPS you'd either want to use Hawnkey's thing where he manually puts Off GCDs into his rotation and puts his Power Strike and RW together or separate them...

[Kruunch]

Not just oGCDs, any ability (SLI, FB etc).

Correct but you're not holding up a finisher (most likely) because RW is up (at least I don't).

I was just illustrating the most common culprits.

[Valthirus]

I just recently decided to try and get more RW out of my macro spam as well but I came to a different conclusion:

Macro1:
cast rising waterfall
cast power strike

Macro 2:
cast frenzied strike
cast inescapable fury
cast flinching strike
cast rising waterfall
cast power strike

The idea is that I can spam macro 1 all day long and not mess up my rotation. When a reactive pops I can start mashing on macro 2, which will fire all of my reactives and if all are on CD or they all fire off it will act like my normal spam macro.

So I just keep an eye out for reactives, and when I see one proc I make sure I hit macro 2 ONLY after I land a RW. I still find I parse higher with 1 spam macro atm but I think with practice I'll do better with 2.

I find I still have a hard time effeciently weaving in my reactives + fiery burst while not messing up RW. I also feel like I'm leaving dps on the table because of unused APs and lost seconds on the cooldown for my reactives (that extra second or so i wait for RW before casting reactives is another second I'll be on CD for my next one).

Another alternative.

[jargonchipmunk]

I was messing around with this over my lunch break (lol) I made 4 macros.

Macro 1 only had RW and PS (and FS)
Macro 2 was FB and all OGCD
Macro 3 was SLi and all OGCD (I don't trust my spammyness to wait for Sli to actually be up lol)
Macro 4 was just OGCDs

For the most part it played like the normal dw spec (spam builder to 3, SLi, spam builder to 3, FB, etc) Only difference being, I slapped the finisher macro 5 or 6 times in during the GCD before I went back to the builder macro. I saved Macro 4 for when I had an OGCD ready and already did RW and wasn't going to get to FB/SLi in the next GCD (rare)

I normally tank and this was (complete honesty) my first attempt at changing what you gurus do best, but it worked well for me as an easy way to not eat my own RW's and still get off my OGCDs.

/shrug

*edit* actually since I was running the 6 RB build, macro #1 actually included Flame Spear

[Kruunch]

At the top, but you are really gimping your RW DPS if you put Off GCDs in your macro... For max DPS you'd either want to use Hawnkey's thing where he manually puts Off GCDs into his rotation and puts his Power Strike and RW together or separate them...

In my experience more people have blown their parses by trying to manually work in oGCDs and gonking their rotation (and/or being overly cautious and not getting nearly the amount of oGCDs they could have).

Keeping your oGCDs in your main macro means around a 50-100 DPS loss *if* you pull off a manual rotation perfectly and a net loss the other way (if not more) if you gonk your rotation a few times.

At least that's how I feel about separating out the macros ... YMMV.

[Valthirus]

In my experience more people have blown their parses by trying to manually work in oGCDs and gonking their rotation (and/or being overly cautious and not getting nearly the amount of oGCDs they could have).

Keeping your oGCDs in your main macro means around a 50-100 DPS loss *if* you pull off a manual rotation perfectly and a net loss the other way (if not more) if you gonk your rotation a few times.

At least that's how I feel about separating out the macros ... YMMV.

Yeah, that's why I don't manually do it. This allows max amount of gcds and more RW. It's pretty easy to keep up IMO.

I kept my Off GCDs in my DW macros in 1.3 due to the longer cooldown of POTR. With a non existent cooldown on RW you need to utilize it.

[Kruunch]

Yeah, that's why I don't manually do it. This allows max amount of gcds and more RW. It's pretty easy to keep up IMO.

I kept my Off GCDs in my DW macros in 1.3 due to the longer cooldown of POTR. With a non existent cooldown on RW you need to utilize it.

Ok ... so when you're hitting your macros you're hitting your PS macro once ... stopping to see if RW lights up... then hitting it again if it doesn't ... waiting to see if your RW lights up ... and so on?

Because if you're machine gunning your PS macro, the oGCDs will still step on your RW procs and you're just hitting three buttons instead of two for the exact same effect.

This is why I considered keeping your oGCDs on a separate macro (in one fashion or another) to be a very marginal gain and a whole lot harder to operate.

Is this not the case?

[Krillain]

TLDR: I've thought along the lines of what kruunch is saying here, which is why I combined macros up until recently. But if someone believes that the manual process is better please read on..

Is it possible for someone who feels they alternate their buttons well to parse out with their normal method and then to parse out again with 1 spam macro?

I'm kind of curious how the overall dps difference looks in real world application. I absolutely agree that a split up macro/system would be ideal for obvious reasons. At the same time, I feel like it's easy for us to ignore those 1 and 2 seconds we're waiting on OGCDs and the potential FB ticks (or in a real bad run, the SLI fall offs) that might occur when using multiple macros. So I'm curious what the real world dps gain from properly managing your abilities is when you're good at it (because I am not).

The reason is I mainly PVP and a single spam macro is a lot easier to manage in this environment compared to if I was managing 2 AP builders. However if the gain is worth it, I will practice forever to be able to maximize my RW dps in pvp.

[Valthirus]

I tried 1/3 Grim Satisfaction... Definitely needs a tablet. I was getting power starved.

[Valthirus]

Ok ... so when you're hitting your macros you're hitting your PS macro once ... stopping to see if RW lights up... then hitting it again if it doesn't ... waiting to see if your RW lights up ... and so on?

Because if you're machine gunning your PS macro, the oGCDs will still step on your RW procs and you're just hitting three buttons instead of two for the exact same effect.

This is why I considered keeping your oGCDs on a separate macro (in one fashion or another) to be a very marginal gain and a whole lot harder to operate.

Is this not the case?

I am getting my oGCDs out of the way right after my RW. Think of it this way... Hit Power Strike Macro -> Hit RW Macro -> (Hit Power Strike Macro) oGCDs -> Power Strike.

[Meno]

How do you handle weaponmaster procs? Do you use powerstrike again anyway? Or you just spam FB?