Quiescent presents: A Soul-By-Soul guide on how to PVP as a Rogue

[Gwaann]

its 21% per combo point for a total of 105% if you use a 5 point deadly dance and yes its worth it. I use 51 sin, 13 bd, and 2 mm myself. I wouldn't put 2 in strike back, I put them in Ambidextrous but ymmv.

OK, thanks for the info. Sheesh, between a Bard build (supt), a MM build (RDPS), a Sin build (MDPS), a NB build (R and MDPS), and a Sab build (AEDPS)....well, that's a lot of builds!!!

Poor warrior only has 2.

[Arcshayde]

So, a 5 point Deadly Strike finisher, to hope for a crit to proc Serpent Strike for a 21% boost in damage in it and 2 other combat point builders? Is it that significant? I'm a new nub sin for sure and am looking for anything. I'm assuming 51Sin/15Blade (2/2 strike back for kicks right?)/0RS

What Xillean mentioned, but I prefer the Sprint, Shift with 0rs and extra Dex vs. 3% dmg from and barbed shot from mm. Also works with Compound Attack finisher, which hits multiple targets and does about 2% less dmg than Deadly Strike.

[Jetheth]

i run 34 nb, 17 bd, and 15 rs and i own any mm combo all day. its all about the approach on them and waiting for the right time to strike, sure if your gap cloers are on cd (which they are usually not), the mm may be able to get away and noone dies, but if they are using a pve crystal they will just die faster due to the loss of valor. your not going anywhere when i have flash of steel up along with 2 plane shifts. and your in some real trouble if i have ebon fury ready. its very rare i get kited by a mm now and days, if they have enough speed to get away, they are sacrificing alot of dps on the soul tree to gain that mobility.

You must not play against any good MM and never against a MM/RS.

[Xillean]

What Xillean mentioned, but I prefer the Sprint, Shift with 0rs and extra Dex vs. 3% dmg from and barbed shot from mm. Also works with Compound Attack finisher, which hits multiple targets and does about 2% less dmg than Deadly Strike.

Yeah no real wrong way to spend the points in the setup, but you dont get barbed shot that's 16 in mm, you get swift shot and hasted shot which my main purpose of getting those was for the speed increases to cut down on someone kitting me, I like to move fast. Not saying my point setup is better by any means just clarifying why I took what I did.

Edit: cuz I derped on part of my reply.

[Arcshayde]

Yeah no real wrong way to spend the points in the setup, but you dont get barbed shot that's 16 in mm, you get swift shot and hasted shot which my main purpose of getting those was for the speed increases to cut down on someone kitting me, I like to move fast. Not saying my point setup is better by any means just clarifying why I took what I did.

Edit: cuz I derped on part of my reply.

Good call. I was reading elsewhere on builds that capitalize on the "enhanced" barbed shots from. It was a 32sin/16mm/18bd. If you like bouncing around 32sin/16bd/18rs is a lot of fun and burns stuff quick.

[Ehxon]

You must not play against any good MM and never against a MM/RS.

you must not play aginst any good nb builds......

[Nynja]

Good call. I was reading elsewhere on builds that capitalize on the "enhanced" barbed shots from. It was a 32sin/16mm/18bd.

In which way enhanced?

[Jetheth]

you must not play aginst any good nb builds......

Yes, because I never run into any NB/RS specced rogues out there. Never.

[bitnine]

Serpent Strike does water damage, counts as a poison, and procs off Deadly Dance.

What's that now?

Baneful Touch only increases the damage of your weapon enchantments like Virulent Poison, Hellfire Blades and Electrified Munitions.

I will update the tooltip to reflect this correctly.

[Zaros]

A Pvp guide written by someone who really pvp is always such a great read! Thumps up for the guide saris!

I tried playing around with ur tips on using a stationary target as beacon. Well it's fair to say I have long way to go. Arghhh. I have been playing mm/rs 44/22 build. I enjoy it much better than my previous glass canon build. Much better surviability n action.

I have also been trying out the nb/rs 44/22 build listed by you. I must admit I tried a few melee build n dun do well. My mentality is more ranged than melee. I just have a question on ur nb/rs 44/22 build. Does putting 5 points in lingering flame better than 3 pointers in primal strike and 2 pointers in weapon enhancement?

For pvp, I am still new to nb/rs so pardon my nobness lol.

P.s. I find that after playing nb/rs, I became more Rambo style when playing mm/rs. Got me into a few difficult situation after I over commit.... Totally ignore the 35 meter range lol

Thanks for this fab guide, zaros!

I think Lingering Flame is a really underrated talent. It's much better than improved weapon enchants IMHO, as well as the primal strike gain. Fuctionally, it gives you a free CP every rotation, and maintains fiery spike uptime for you.

Yeah--MM/RS is supposed to be a Rambo spec. You're doing it right. There's just a lot to get used to, especially with that 35M range

Serpent Strike does water damage, counts as a poison, and procs off Deadly Dance.

SS doesn't count as a poison.

i run 34 nb, 17 bd, and 15 rs and i own any mm combo all day. its all about the approach on them and waiting for the right time to strike, sure if your gap cloers are on cd (which they are usually not), the mm may be able to get away and noone dies, but if they are using a pve crystal they will just die faster due to the loss of valor. your not going anywhere when i have flash of steel up along with 2 plane shifts. and your in some real trouble if i have ebon fury ready. its very rare i get kited by a mm now and days, if they have enough speed to get away, they are sacrificing alot of dps on the soul tree to gain that mobility.

I'll be happy to duel you in that spec I'd be very interested to see if you could be me, in MM/RS or 51 MM.

by the time all the valor and dmg reductions most people have, the 2 points into weapon enchants doesnt really do that much of a difference. i currently run a nb rs bd build and i dont even use primal strike. actually in my opinion anything more than 15 points into rs is a total waste. you dont need the mobility, due to the 20 meter range the soul offers its impossible to kite most encounters. i also think any more than 38 points into nb is a total waste, (unless of course your going the full 51)

That's another thing I disagree with O.o I think you ought to have at least enough points in RS to get Shadow Mastery. And for NB, pretty much all the talents are gravy. If you never go beyond 38, you're losing a ton of DPS.

[Jetheth]

SS doesn't count as a poison.

http://rift.zam.com/en/ability/15743...Serpent-Strike

It says it does?

[Xillean]

http://rift.zam.com/en/ability/15743...Serpent-Strike

It says it does?

There is a dev post somewhere saying it shouldn't read that and in fact doesn't count. None of the poison increasing talents effect ss, including Baneful touch.

What's that now?

Doh looks like Bitnine beat me to it, back to my cave! Up above he quoted one of the posts saying baneful doesn't enhance it. If it really does count as a poison nothing is enhancing it from what I can see so its either bugged or worded wrong.

[Jetheth]

There is a dev post somewhere saying it shouldn't read that and in fact doesn't count. None of the poison increasing talents effect ss, including Baneful touch.



Doh looks like Bitnine beat me to it, back to my cave! Up above he quoted one of the posts saying baneful doesn't enhance it. If it really does count as a poison nothing is enhancing it from what I can see so its either bugged or worded wrong.

Interesting, didn't know that.. even without it counting as a poison, I still see regular 2-4k Serpent Strike crits on people with Deadly Dance buff up.. it's quite funny.

[Ehxon]

Yes, because I never run into any NB/RS specced rogues out there. Never.

thats because everyone finally realized the 44nb/22rs build is like old cheese and it doesnt really have any hard burst to kill majority of the people. all it does is harass mages and thats about it.

[Ehxon]

I think Lingering Flame is a really underrated talent. It's much better than improved weapon enchants IMHO, as well as the primal strike gain. Fuctionally, it gives you a free CP every rotation, and maintains fiery spike uptime for you.

Yeah--MM/RS is supposed to be a Rambo spec. You're doing it right. There's just a lot to get used to, especially with that 35M range



SS doesn't count as a poison.

I'll be happy to duel you in that spec I'd be very interested to see if you could be me, in MM/RS or 51 MM.


That's another thing I disagree with O.o I think you ought to have at least enough points in RS to get Shadow Mastery. And for NB, pretty much all the talents are gravy. If you never go beyond 38, you're losing a ton of DPS.

i cant really garauntee a win thus i really never went up against you personally and everyones play style can be different from time to time, but 90% of the outcomes i come into with mm's is i either kill them or they run away back into their zerg and offer their teammates their fruit-cups so they can be protected from me.
its all about the element of suprise! i dont really like to play mm i can do it, i just prefer to be able to dance with warriors and stab my knives in their face