PvE Nightblade 1.7+

[Gyle]

In this case wouldnt it be better to do an extra builder every time you do a Dusk Strike so your finishers always have 30% bonus?

I had never thought of this. I am going to have to check that out. Though i suspect the number of BS's you would lose would be a bigger loss than the 30% bonus would be a gain.

[Puandro]

Indeed, maybe ill get around to testing this myself.

[K Flay]

what synergy crystal should be used with this build? i have 4/4 t1 gear, so should it be the blighted nightblade?

[Puandro]

Nightbalde

[Rosario]

Hi Gyle, today i got Soliton Blade, and decided to play as a 100% melee dps when im not needed as a interrupter or purger for that i have 51MM.

So im wondering, the spec (51NB/12BD/3RS) how much behind dps is it then the normal NB49 spec? And if you make it (51NB/10BD/5RS), you get 6% AP more and planebound resilience, shoul this spec do more dps then the (51NB/12BD/3RS)? Why i wana do (51NB/10BD/5RS) becouse off the gap closer, and i wont be on a interrupt.

You say the (51NB/12BD/3RS) "does more AoE dps than both BD and 49NB." do you use Compound attack as finisher for AOE?

[Puandro]

Hi Gyle, today i got Soliton Blade, and decided to play as a 100% melee dps when im not needed as a interrupter or purger for that i have 51MM.

So im wondering, the spec (51NB/12BD/3RS) how much behind dps is it then the normal NB49 spec? And if you make it (51NB/10BD/5RS), you get 6% AP more and planebound resilience, shoul this spec do more dps then the (51NB/12BD/3RS)? Why i wana do (51NB/10BD/5RS) becouse off the gap closer, and i wont be on a interrupt.

You say the (51NB/12BD/3RS) "does more AoE dps than both BD and 49NB." do you use Compound attack as finisher for AOE?

I suggest you play 51 BD if you want an interrupt and a gap closer.

[Rosario]

I suggest you play 51 BD if you want an interrupt and a gap closer.

I did try 51 BD but i hmm didnt like it

[aleCs]

"It's worth delaying an SoD for a few seconds to get the +30% IMO, especially if the mob is under 30% HP."

why would i delay an SoD if the mob is under 30% ?

"Nightstalker
Your Blazing Strike, Flame Thrust, Dusk Strike and Twilight Force deal 15% more damage and an additional 30% more damage if the enemy's health is below 30%."

Yesterday played the first time Nightblade inRaid and Outdps´t all my mates @ akylios... dont know why but it did very well ;) (never seen a 10k hit with my rogue... BS did on < 30%Aky )
as it was the first time i didn´t care about Heatretention just watched the fiery spike.

[Gyle]

Hi Gyle, today i got Soliton Blade, and decided to play as a 100% melee dps when im not needed as a interrupter or purger for that i have 51MM.

So im wondering, the spec (51NB/12BD/3RS) how much behind dps is it then the normal NB49 spec? And if you make it (51NB/10BD/5RS), you get 6% AP more and planebound resilience, shoul this spec do more dps then the (51NB/12BD/3RS)? Why i wana do (51NB/10BD/5RS) becouse off the gap closer, and i wont be on a interrupt.

You say the (51NB/12BD/3RS) "does more AoE dps than both BD and 49NB." do you use Compound attack as finisher for AOE?

Honestly i would recommend sticking with the standard 49NB. It doesn't have a gap closer, true, but it does have ranged attacks which do a sufficient job of keeping your DPS up for the one or 2 seconds you might be out of melee range when something moves.

If you are set on a 51 NB build and don't need the interrupt 10 BD should be fine, using Compound as your AoE finisher, but i think you will be happier if you stick with 49.

"It's worth delaying an SoD for a few seconds to get the +30% IMO, especially if the mob is under 30% HP."

why would i delay an SoD if the mob is under 30% ?

"Nightstalker
Your Blazing Strike, Flame Thrust, Dusk Strike and Twilight Force deal 15% more damage and an additional 30% more damage if the enemy's health is below 30%."

Yesterday played the first time Nightblade inRaid and Outdps´t all my mates @ akylios... dont know why but it did very well ;) (never seen a 10k hit with my rogue... BS did on < 30%Aky )
as it was the first time i didn´t care about Heatretention just watched the fiery spike.

All my statement there meant was even if using BS at 3HR and then building to 5 again for SoD is a slight DPS loss above 30% the extra damage you pick up under 30% would make the BS you subbed in hit harder, and it would pick up some of that lost DPS. It's wording is confusing sorry

NB does very well on Akylios, i actually have never run MM on Akylios, i have been running NB on him for the last 6 months or more. Sometimes i run 51 BD to pick up apostles if i need to interrupt, but other than that NB is the way to go.

[aleCs]

NB does very well on Akylios, i actually have never run MM on Akylios, i have been running NB on him for the last 6 months or more. Sometimes i run 51 BD to pick up apostles if i need to interrupt, but other than that NB is the way to go.

Okay, I was MM´ing everytime ;) wasnt that bad... but as Stingerkiller and cast-Kicker you have other priority´s ;)


Just wondering how to manage the Finisher´s better... as i said, i ignored the HR and just finished,.. sometimes finished via BS with 4cp to refresh the dot after the SoD Finisher.

Imo the faster you 5cp finish the better, the firsttime i´ve seen my rogue-char 10k hitting! ;) for pvp it would be better to HR Manage SoD for better Burst... but holding back your finisher or earlyfinish seems like a eDps-Loss.
Other Point is, faster 5cp Finish = less Energyconsume = faster inputs of Expose Weakness
i manually reapplied Expose Weakness if i was >75Energy
dont know if i´m right... just my pov...

[Galibier]

How much more dps does this build do over Blink-blade? I prefer Bloodstalker for single target fights of course when I have time to swap but I have been using Blinkblade for generic stuff where there is both AE and ST to be done and it does fairly well. I only have my guild to compare and I am usually in the top 3 of dps even on crazy AE fights like Matron.

[Rosario]

Honestly i would recommend sticking with the standard 49NB. It doesn't have a gap closer, true, but it does have ranged attacks which do a sufficient job of keeping your DPS up for the one or 2 seconds you might be out of melee range when something moves.

If you are set on a 51 NB build and don't need the interrupt 10 BD should be fine, using Compound as your AoE finisher, but i think you will be happier if you stick with 49.

Well the thing are i been like 95% as a MM, a spec without a gap closer hmm scares me lol.
But i will try 49NB, how is NB 49 doing in 1.8? And are you gona update your guide on 1.8?
How does NB 49 do vs 51 Ranger now that they buffed ranger, or its melee still best DPS, ranger/MM dps sucks?

Just wondering how does a NB 49 play on akylios? is it aoe dps all time when adds up and ST dps on 1 add.
The thing is im on interrupt on add on akylios, whould you say the 51 NB with the interrupt still out dps hmm 51MM?

Gyle, how much more dps are 49 NB then the 51 NB spec? we talking about like 300-500 dps?

[Galibier]

Disregard my last. ST it's better on a dummy even with just the t1 synergy crystal than BB. If the dummy could ever hit 30% it would be much better. Wish the dummies were a guild perk like in EQ2. They had finite health and you could actually kill them so we could get this kind of static data.

[Gyle]

Well the thing are i been like 95% as a MM, a spec without a gap closer hmm scares me lol.
But i will try 49NB, how is NB 49 doing in 1.8? And are you gona update your guide on 1.8?
How does NB 49 do vs 51 Ranger now that they buffed ranger, or its melee still best DPS, ranger/MM dps sucks?

Just wondering how does a NB 49 play on akylios? is it aoe dps all time when adds up and ST dps on 1 add.
The thing is im on interrupt on add on akylios, whould you say the 51 NB with the interrupt still out dps hmm 51MM?

Gyle, how much more dps are 49 NB then the 51 NB spec? we talking about like 300-500 dps?

I will update the guide for whatever changes go live, yes.
It puts up more DPS than ranger does ever so slightly, but also since it is not reliant on a pet it is much more in your control than ranger DPS is. Melee will probably always be the top DPS from now on, i think Trion is done opening the ranged vs. melee can of worms and is just going to stick with their current scheme.

NB for Akylios plays kinda however you want it to. I actually only ST DPS in P1 now so we can burn Jorn in 1 wave, but you can AoE as well and stay pretty close to the warriors. If you are in a guild that is more casual in nature it's entirely possible you could out DPS the warriors in your guild with NB.

No not 300-500, at least not the 51/12/3, more like 100-250 ST lost.

[lgw]

One trick for cleave style bosses is to simply replace Primal Strike with Weapon Flare.
Loses you a bit of ST, but not all that much, and you gain a good amount of passive AOE.

http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...ItRGqgRss.c.-5 (51NB/12BD/3RS)- This is a spec that I and a few others have been playing around with for a while. It has a gap closer, an interrupt, and it actually does more AoE dps than both BD and 49NB. The drawback is that it is not as high ST. I play around with this build, but if I actually care what my numbers are I run 49NB every time.

Have you tried 13 BD / 2 RS with Deadly Dance to use Compund as finisher for full AOE ?