Cleric Multi-Role Gearing Guide (BiS)

[Enig]

I agree that focus needs to be managed by the player. You could do a "no thought" column that includes a weight for it, but mostly it's up to the player to make sure he has enough focus for the content he wants to do. The reason for this is because the exact weight for focus depends on the amount of focus the character has in other slots. If he's just looking to do T2 and he has 120 focus without using 1 focus ring, then he would want to find the best crit or sp ring regardless the focus on it. Also, as you point out: it would muddle the best sp/crit lists for healer

In my personal BiS list I have a column with and without focus and have found it very useful when comparing items. Take this example...

You are already focused capped and use a wand without focus. A wand drops that has a ton of focus on it but it sits lower on your BiS list than the one you’re currently using. Most would be like ‘Mines Better’ and pass on the item. This is where having focus in the equation helps. If the wand with focus is higher on the BiS list when you include focus it may be better to use the focus wand and swap out one of your other focus items for one without. How can you tell which item to swap out? Check your Focus BiS Column . Now obviously you could weigh that up at the time the wand dropped but having something to reference is just so helpful, especially for players that are unsure on this sort of thing.

Also... adding focus into the DPS formula shouldn't affect the healing list as it should be using a different formula as the weight for SP:SC should be different anyway.

The formula I gave to work out a weight for focus was more for people to be aware of how to incorporate it.

[Tuskon]

First off, as many have said, Thank you for your time and effort in trying to improve the Cleric Community.

As i was browsing the list i noticed that there a good many Lesser Essences that are not on the list.
Also there are no Pre-1.3 Lessers listed that are Strength based for Tanking (not even the vendor ones)
If you go by the lists below you should be able to add in the ones you don't have currently.

Caster + Crit
Caster + SP
Caster based Tanking (Block)
Caster based Tanking (Parry) [Two diff links here]
Caster based Tanking (Dodge)
Strength based Tanking (Block)
Strength based Tanking (Dodge)[Yea i know its only 1 of them, lol]
Strength based Tanking (Parry)[Again, only 1 but i like being specific]
Full Listing of all lessers
(Keep in mind i only listed the level 50 essences, there are the rare few that are good from lower levels)

I Don't know if you'll get a chance to add these to the list before they change with 1.3 (Since most of them likely will) but the list is here for those who would like a complete list, if they're trying to get something before the patch drops and changes things.

Also I noticed one other thing while looking at the gear list for High Crit.
Corrupt Conquerer Leggaurds has less of an EP weight than Fae Mending Breeches. Considering the list has a crit bias i figure the former would have a better EP weight, can you explain why it is listed this way? (my guess is the SP diff, but didn't make sense)

[Bowler Hat]

First off, as many have said, Thank you for your time and effort in trying to improve the Cleric Community.

As i was browsing the list i noticed that there a good many Lesser Essences that are not on the list.
Also there are no Pre-1.3 Lessers listed that are Strength based for Tanking (not even the vendor ones)
If you go by the lists below you should be able to add in the ones you don't have currently.

Caster + Crit
Caster + SP
Caster based Tanking (Block)
Caster based Tanking (Parry) [Two diff links here]
Caster based Tanking (Dodge)
Strength based Tanking (Block)
Strength based Tanking (Dodge)[Yea i know its only 1 of them, lol]
Strength based Tanking (Parry)[Again, only 1 but i like being specific]
Full Listing of all lessers
(Keep in mind i only listed the level 50 essences, there are the rare few that are good from lower levels)

I Don't know if you'll get a chance to add these to the list before they change with 1.3 (Since most of them likely will) but the list is here for those who would like a complete list, if they're trying to get something before the patch drops and changes things.

Wow, that's a lot of Lessers! I am reticent to add them with 1.3 literally days away, I will only be adding in the new values once the patch hits. I deliberately left out the other pre 1.3 essences at this time, you should be gearig for post 1.3 anyway

I am waiting for 1.3 too hit before revisting Lessers at this time.

Also I noticed one other thing while looking at the gear list for High Crit.
Corrupt Conquerer Leggaurds has less of an EP weight than Fae Mending Breeches. Considering the list has a crit bias i figure the former would have a better EP weight, can you explain why it is listed this way? (my guess is the SP diff, but didn't make sense)

It will be the total itemisation points on each item, as well as their distribution. Even in the High Crit profile we still value Spellpower and 11 extra spellpower outweighs the 14 lost spell crit. With the current 1.75 weighting the breeches would pull ahead if they had a further 4.25 Spell Crit.

This does highlight an issue with just blindly following a gear list. Sure the Legguards are mathematically superior, however if your current gear gives you totals of 900 Spell Power and 450 crit (1:2) then you should be favouring high crit items (even if they are marginally lower on the list) to achieve the 1:1.75 goal.

[pwnedmark]

I'm the one from which you're referencing the two EP weights and old BiS sheets.

I'm pretty sure Bowler Hat has me on ignore, so please someone reply to this and ask him to remove me and also send me a PM

Only posting to tell you that those sheets are old. If you are interested, I can hook you up with the new sheets and new EP values, and help you answer some of these questions about how the numbers are derived.

[Tuskon]

I'm the one from which you're referencing the two EP weights and old BiS sheets.

I'm pretty sure Bowler Hat has me on ignore, so please someone reply to this and ask him to remove me and also send me a PM

Only posting to tell you that those sheets are old. If you are interested, I can hook you up with the new sheets and new EP values, and help you answer some of these questions about how the numbers are derived.

As requested.


Also when 1.3 comes out i hope you update your list of lessers to include everything that is viable for Clerics.

[pwnedmark]

IDK how the ignore on here works, will he see what you quoted? =P

[Bowler Hat]

I'm the one from which you're referencing the two EP weights and old BiS sheets.

I'm pretty sure Bowler Hat has me on ignore, so please someone reply to this and ask him to remove me and also send me a PM

Only posting to tell you that those sheets are old. If you are interested, I can hook you up with the new sheets and new EP values, and help you answer some of these questions about how the numbers are derived.

Hi Pwned,

You are most definitely not on ignore, and I can see your postings just fine I have no PM from you though? Will ping you back through the PM system as well.

I'd be very interested in seeing the new workings, and ensuring you receive the proper attribution as well.

[Zubins]

I don't think its been mentioned yet, but you have a typo Crystal Gloves listed with 33 spell crit, instead of its 33 focus. :P Making it artificially high on the lists

[Bowler Hat]

I have updated the gear guides with some of the changes from 1.3, below are the version notes. I will be adding Hammerknell drops soon. Check the Original Post for links and more information.

1.2.0 27/06/2011
* UPDATED all Raid Rift drops to their new 1.3 stats
* ADDED most Level 50 Epic Lesser Essences
* REMOVED 1.2 Essences sheet
* REMOVED Str/Dex DPS necks & rings, only items with tanking stats will
be included in the future
* REVISED all tanking necks and rings
* INTRODUCED a 2H tanking PDF into the regular output cycle
* CORRECTED Gloves:Crystal Gloves

[Yavi]

Your tanking Gear is not all correct. You have the stats weighted wrong on most of them. For example, you have dodge with more value than block ... that is completely wrong. You should recheck the gear. For example, Life Lords Spaulders (drop from GS) are BiS, not the rT1 shoulders.

[Yavi]

Also just noticed you completely missed a ring. Architect's Ring, 13int, 14wis, 24endo, 31focus, drops from Plutonus.

[Bowler Hat]

Your tanking Gear is not all correct. You have the stats weighted wrong on most of them. For example, you have dodge with more value than block ... that is completely wrong. You should recheck the gear. For example, Life Lords Spaulders (drop from GS) are BiS, not the rT1 shoulders.

Are you looking at the correct Tanking list? Obviously Block is useless when 2H tanking, I suspect you are looking at the 2H tanking list. The S&B Tanking sheet values block at 0.0855 and dodge at 0.0358

[Bowler Hat]

Also just noticed you completely missed a ring. Architect's Ring, 13int, 14wis, 24endo, 31focus, drops from Plutonus.

The ring was accidentally removed while cleaning out all the strength and dex DPS rings. It will be readded in the next version.

[Littlebomb]

But your just making the list even longer and slightly miss leading to some. :-| What if they don't KNOW it's the Defiant verson and sit around waiting for Damons ____ to drop? Or spend hours looking for the vender with it? You gotta think about these things!

Seriously, get with it. He doesnt need to say faction because all this gear is available to both factions.


Thanks for the GREAT list!

Nice to know every piece of gear i have for both tanking and inq are within 4 spots of BIS. a couple are even #1. Nice to know im on track.

Thanks again.

[Minerian]

I was looking up something on Lord Greenscale on ZAM and saw what appears to be a new item in 1.3:
Ring of Primal Waters (rough high-crit value of: 61.3) different from the old ring of primal ways

This one also appears new for 1.3:
Impressive Shovel (Thalguur - rough high-crit value of: 1024.63 - above the Staff of Excess)

These are a few older items that are missing (no drop info listed - maybe fire raid rifts?)
Flamejet Candle (rough high-crit value of: 62.44)
Flamekeeper Pendant (rough high-crit value of: 71.81)

Name fix: "Corupted Conqueror's Legguards" should be "Corrupt Conquerer Legguards"