Fanaticism/Soul Dran vs Bullseye/Lightning Fury

[Sariina]

So the problem is that the MM one doesn't work on aoes?

Sure . . . or that the cleric one does. They are described the exact same way though and that's the problem. I'd be happy if they changed the tool tip on the rogue one to say 'single target marksman ability', changed Bull's Eye to work on fan out and lightning fury, or changed fanaticism to not work on soul drain.

They way they work now with how they are described there is something that is not right.

[No_Exit]

Wow, cleric mad.

It's broken, either one or the other is working incorrectly as per the descriptions of the skills.

Not mad at all Simply making the point that there are very few occasions/specs where Fanaticism+Soul Drain are used... and that its almost never viable in pvp because as a cleric.. cast times + melee range + enough targets dont often happen or are not viable. :sadface:

Sure . . . or that the cleric one does. They are described the exact same way though and that's the problem. I'd be happy if they changed the tool tip on the rogue one to say 'single target marksman ability', changed Bull's Eye to work on fan out and lightning fury, or changed fanaticism to not work on soul drain.

They way they work now with how they are described there is something that is not right.

So basically all this is about a tooltip description. There are so many tooltips that mislead, or are mistaken, or simply wrong in this game because they were often not updated with the ability over time..... that im surprised this is the one to make a fuss about. You clearly know what it does... so you dont need the tooltip to tell you.

Also... why in the world should a cleric ability be the same as a rogue ability. The 2 classes couldn't be more different in design. Those 2 ability's are not intended to be mirrors, nor should they be.

[MNM]

Neither mention any restriction on multi target abilities, so they should both work on them.
It's definitely intended for fanat to work on SD

[Sariina]

So basically all this is about a tooltip description.

It might be, I realize that in an effort to make the tool tips easier that Trion specifically went out of their way to make them useless and sometimes even misleading, but if it was intended that Bull's eye not work on AOE's you'd think it would say 'single target' in front of marksman abilities.

Maybe we could get Zinbik to answer since we all know Aliion wouldn't answer anything requested for clarification because it might actually help people that play his class.

[Legerity]

Bull's Eye causes the next damaging Marksman Finisher to crit

[Eclipze]

Bull's Eye causes the next damaging Marksman Finisher to crit

Wrong.

Bull's Eye Marksman Instant 2 Minutes 0 Seconds No Cost Forces the next damaging Marksman ability to Critically Hit. Lasts 60s.

That aside. Lightning Fury and Soul Drain are two completely different spells. One is an Targeted AOE, the other radiates from the closest target. Two completely separate mechanics can't and should not be compared when trying to identify buff effects. The only thing that would come close would be Trick Shot, but that isn't affected by Bull's Eye as its a Ranger ability.

Apples and Oranges kids.

[Mouset]

If rouges spent the same amount of time rolling an alt to 50, testing an ability then realising it isn't all that overpowered as they do complaining on the forums it would make all our lives so much easier.

[Eughe]

SD seems to be a single skill that just passes through to others near it.

Don't know any other skill that acts like that, but I know I doesn't tick and isn't a dot.

[Sariina]

If rouges spent the same amount of time rolling an alt to 50, testing an ability then realising it isn't all that overpowered as they do complaining on the forums it would make all our lives so much easier.

Kinda funny, cause the reason I noticed this [crappy wording|problem] is because I have a rogue and a cleric. I'd ask Ailion to chime in and say why, but we all know he doesn't communicate anything that would even remotely be useful to rogues, so maybe Zinbik could explain why clerics get a free pass on their AOE force crit. Also, it's rogues.

[Eughe]

I am probably missing something, but when i use BE andd then LF, my LF crits on all targets.


What exactly is the problem again?

[Sariina]

I am probably missing something, but when i use BE andd then LF, my LF crits on all targets.


What exactly is the problem again?

Did you do it more than once, because it doesn't.

[Eughe]

Did you do it more than once, because it doesn't.

I did it back to back with the reload skill. All crits.
Tried it with both fan out and lighting.

Then use both skills sans BE and a normal reaction happened. Some target crit some didnt but crit some didn't, but the crit was for the same amount as force crit.

But it was 4 targets.

Does it happen only on a full 8 target?

[Zinbik]

I did it back to back with the reload skill. All crits.
Tried it with both fan out and lighting.

Then use both skills sans BE and a normal reaction happened. Some target crit some didnt but crit some didn't, but the crit was for the same amount as force crit.

But it was 4 targets.

Does it happen only on a full 8 target?

I just made a rogue tried it myself with 5 and then 8 targets. If I use Bull's Eye and then Lightning Fury, I crit on every target. I set their cooldowns to 0 and did it probably a couple hundred times in a row. All crits.

[Sariina]

Hrm, I wonder why mine didn't crit when I tested it. I must have done something wrong . . . its' a pretty simple test though . . . It's pretty funny that Zinbik tested a rogue and chimed in instead of Ailion who still completely ignores the community. Does he even still work there?

[Ivengar]

Hrm, I wonder why mine didn't crit when I tested it. I must have done something wrong . . . its' a pretty simple test though . . . It's pretty funny that Zinbik tested a rogue and chimed in instead of Ailion who still completely ignores the community. Does he even still work there?

And if you spent as much time testing it as you did crying on the forums about it you might have figured this out for yourself!!!