new souls (to replace lost pvp souls)

[elmattias]

i think it would be a great idea on Trion's part if they actually gave all classes each one new soul, reason being the loss of the pvp souls...i feel this subject has probably been tossed around a bunch in these forums, but in essence, they could potentially bridge the gap in synergy issues for many of the classes, as well as inject some much needed new mechanics into the classes and breath some new life into the game...the possibilities are endless with the system that rift has in place...and since we lost those souls, it could mean a lot to many players to have more options available in PvP and PvE.

now as far as the changes go, i see it like this...you want balance, and not all classes are created equal, each class has its "specialty" like warrior tanks, cleric heals, etc... but why make only one of the souls capable of fulfilling all four roles in a group environment? (cleric) now before you start flaming me too hard, i do play a cleric main, and i do understand that clerics are not TRUE support (at the time of this writing) in a RAID environment, but nonetheless can still que this way with justicar passive healing as they DPS, thus they can fulfill all roles in a 5 man group environment...which i find just baffling that everyone else only gets 3 (or 2 if you're an unlucky warrior) roles that you can que for in group, if balance is meant to be attained, shouldn't all classes be on a somewhat-equal playing field in some circumstances?

[nemecis]

i think it would be a bad idea on Trion's part if they actually gave all classes each one new soul, due to the loss of the pvp souls...If the OP feels this subject has probably been tossed around a bunch in these forums, then why create a new thread? Additional souls would further complicate the balancing process and could potentially widen the gap in synergy issues for many of the classes, as well as inject some unecessary new mechanics into the classes and weigh down development of other aspects of the game...the possibilities are endless with the system that rift has in place...so why bother introducing more? Players already have many options available in PvP and PvE.

[Vyxagallanxchi]

While new souls could be interesting, I'd rather Trion focus right now on balancing the souls that they currently have in the game.

[Zelg]

While new souls could be interesting, I'd rather Trion focus right now on balancing the souls that they currently have in the game.

Trion certainly needs to do something. I'd be happy with adding another soul to compliment other souls but i'm sure there'd be soul builds that would be left out. I think you maybe right, that they should just work on balancing what they have and creating more synergy.

As it stands right now, I run a warden/sentinel build and my 3rd soul used to be the pvp soul but thats gone and the only thing i used it for was break free. So now i need another 3rd soul with a decent 0 point ability(s). What im using right now is druid just to have the pet add some healing but it doesnt do much and is generally dead pretty quick anyways. Purifier has a weak-*** shield that is pointless to even waste a keystroke on.


Also a little side note, not really related to a degree...but trion...what the hell man? you give us another role to use but dont give us more macro slots?

[Tatianya]

My main is a cleric as well, but i think rather than adding a new soul, change druid. i know they have said they will not be making a druid pure support and such, but perhaps giving it an ability that does stack or not get canceled by bard or archons might be better. we can cue as support, but as soon as were noticed as a cleric we DPS or heal anyway.

I'm only using cleric as a reference because you used it.

[elmattias]

My main is a cleric as well, but i think rather than adding a new soul, change druid. i know they have said they will not be making a druid pure support and such, but perhaps giving it an ability that does stack or not get canceled by bard or archons might be better. we can cue as support, but as soon as were noticed as a cleric we DPS or heal anyway.

I'm only using cleric as a reference because you used it.

i understand completely with fixing druid, or changing it, or whatever, but the post was meant for all classes, not just the cleric, for instance, rogue has saboteur that needs a good overhaul as well, warriors could still see improvements in beastmaster as far as i'm concerned, and in all honesty, mage is the only class i feel has decent souls in all categories, but they could all still use a few tweaks...i only referenced cleric and the fact that i main it because of the fact that we're the ONLY class that can que as all four roles in a 5-man, which is also a primary reason i created this thread, to stir up conversation on the topic.

oh and at the guy with the sent/warden spec, try out 32 sent/27 warden/7 puri, i use it for a little extra self-survivability where the pure sent/wardens get HoT aggro and die in two seconds :P

[Magnuzone]

Came back 2 hours ago after being away for 3 months. And everything is a mess.

Pvp souls gone. AM was the only thing that I thought fit with WL for pvp. What to use now? Necro is not an option.
I sure as hell wont go Dom or pyro builds. Hate those 2.

Bummer i really liked my WL.
*rerolls*

[Vyxagallanxchi]

Came back 2 hours ago after being away for 3 months. And everything is a mess.

Pvp souls gone. AM was the only thing that I thought fit with WL for pvp. What to use now? Necro is not an option.
I sure as hell wont go Dom or pyro builds. Hate those 2.

Bummer i really liked my WL.
*rerolls*

Yeah if you hate Pyro and Dom, rerolling is probably best.

[Legerity]

As it stands right now, I run a warden/sentinel build and my 3rd soul used to be the pvp soul but thats gone and the only thing i used it for was break free. So now i need another 3rd soul with a decent 0 point ability(s).

I don't really understand your complaint. If you only used it for Break Free, now you get Break Free without having Templar as your 3rd soul.

Personally, I'd use Inquisitor for Vex as a 0 pt soul, since you don't seem to like the free shield from Purifier.

[elmattias]

I don't really understand your complaint. If you only used it for Break Free, now you get Break Free without having Templar as your 3rd soul.

Personally, I'd use Inquisitor for Vex as a 0 pt soul, since you don't seem to like the free shield from Purifier.

i understand both issues that you're both having....

first off, since ward/sent is his primary, he can't necessarily go into sent for a 0 point HB...that being said, if you wish to stick to stricly heals, i still like 32 sent/27 warden/ 7 puri so you can get the free shield and increase your armor a bit, giving you more survivability...although with the new changes that now all souls have a battle res, i've been experimenting with 51 warden builds more....

as for vex, i find it quite useless as a 0 point skill, since you don't get the healing from it with 0 points in the soul, i'd almost be certain to say that inquisitor is one of LEAST useful 0 point souls in the game for that reason, because vex is rather weak in addition to being zero heals at zero points...

[Freight]

If they add a soul for cleric, make it Monk.

Defensive = evasion

Offensive = stun / interrupts



I might actually play something like that as opposed to just healing.

Ymmv

[elmattias]

If they add a soul for cleric, make it Monk.

Defensive = evasion

Offensive = stun / interrupts



I might actually play something like that as opposed to just healing.

Ymmv

i think it depends on the style monk they would add, personally from traditional RPG monks i feel that a monk would be more of a rogue soul...