Rift Racial Quickfix – How to Encourage Balance

[Beans]

I really liked Shadowbanes charactor creation traits.

You could "buy" which traits (starting runes I think its been a while) you wanted at creation. Some were more expensive than others and you had a limited amount of points(?) its been a while. There were some that certain races got over others but for the most part all races had access to the better starting abilities.

The system was robust and these starting abilites cost different amounts and you could even offset them by taking some that nerfed you in exchange for some other advantage.

I think they were all passive (although some were passive run speed) its been a long time since I played SB. One thing they got right was their variety of builds and starting traits.

[Kaiser]

What defiant will do when their stuff is on CD is use their numbers to keep Guardians in a city.

Because seriously, what else am I gonna do as defiant? Ill prolly have 40 minute queues between scenarios so just camping guardians in open world would be nice... till they all click on a scenario and dissappear and leave me and hundreds of others to have nothing to do.


Plus Defiant are more like Liberals, and Guardians are all conservative. Even more reason to choose the proper side.

[Kermit75]

I have been really impressed with the job that Trion have been doing, so I am expecting Trion to fix the racial abilities before release.

Its good that the races have something to distinguish them.

But why do we have these way overpowered abilities? Whats wrong with just adding a few dex or whatever (like most other games)?

Having powerful abilities on long timers is bad design. A level 0 ability should not determine the outcome of a fight (ie one player has it up and one doesnt).

And this is even worse when they arent balanced (theres no question that the Kelari ability is by far the best for a DPS class, especially for a rogue who gets to initiate their fights).

Im hoping they tone the abilities down, and maybe even get rid of the timers completely.

It will be interesting to see what Trion comes up with.

Cheers,
Kermit.

[AtheistGod]

It is something to be sneezed at when you see what the active racials do. If there are burn phases in raids it's pretty damn obvious which races will have a clear advantage. Of course, if gear scaling is as ******ed as it was in WoW, crit chance might be over 50% in epics. Then again, that would mean the crit racial would guarantee 3 crits in a row and have a 90% chance on the 4th hit. Unless I misunderstand how it works.

The racial scales down with crit chance. At 0 % crit chance it provides on average 3 crits. It will scale down at .01 less crit for each crit% from 0 to 20 .02 less crit for each crit% from 20 to 40 and so on. Guaranteeed crit count is less important than crits gained.

[Stimuz]

The racial scales down with crit chance. At 0 % crit chance it provides on average 3 crits. It will scale down at .01 less crit for each crit% from 0 to 20 .02 less crit for each crit% from 20 to 40 and so on. Guaranteeed crit count is less important than crits gained.

I don't follow the logic.

[AtheistGod]

I don't follow the logic.

With high crit chance you are wasting the crit increases. A guaranteed crit is far less valuable when you already had a 50% chance for it to be a crit than if you had next to no chance of a crit.

[Concept2]

With high crit chance you are wasting the crit increases. A guaranteed crit is far less valuable when you already had a 50% chance for it to be a crit than if you had next to no chance of a crit.

the way the ability reduces makes you have more consecutive crit bonuses the higher your crit chance, so it's not really wasted.
Also, consecutive crits are far more valuable for burst DPS than crit chance.

[AtheistGod]

the way the ability reduces makes you have more consecutive crit bonuses the higher your crit chance, so it's not really wasted.
Also, consecutive crits are far more valuable for burst DPS than crit chance.

There is a decrease in burst damage gain with more crit chance. The crit chance will increase damage at all times, including when used, but burst would be better served by aiming for damage over crit chance, at least within the confines of this ability. You basically get 3 crits in 5 attacks. Chances favor those being the first 3, 48% of the time you will crit the first 3 with no other crit chance. Increasing the damage of what crits you get provided will increase your damage during the ability more than focusing on increasing your amount of crits within the ability, since you will be wasting crit chance and crit chance only stacks additively.

[Concept2]

There is a decrease in burst damage gain with more crit chance. The crit chance will increase damage at all times, including when used, but burst would be better served by aiming for damage over crit chance, at least within the confines of this ability. You basically get 3 crits in 5 attacks. Chances favor those being the first 3, 48% of the time you will crit the first 3 with no other crit chance. Increasing the damage of what crits you get provided will increase your damage during the ability more than focusing on increasing your amount of crits within the ability, since you will be wasting crit chance and crit chance only stacks additively.

I might be mistaken but i thought i saw in the new patch for B5 it was being increased to 110% recuding by 10% each ability. I hope not though.

[Karnaga]

Racial skills are a nice thing to talk about.

Every last racial defiant AND guardian is overpowerd. the racial skills should be nerfed on both sides to nothing.

The same for racial properties, it's damn unfair that dwarfs can be that small.

They should nerf that to and all dwarfs should become giants.

Oh wait, racials... someone invented cc and anti cc. A "aktive" skill what is a synergy skill to other skills i have to start, 100% on skill X, is nothing worth when you are cc'd. The only classes who have a real benefit from this are classes with a cc imu timer against ALL cc, mezz, root, snare etc.

Now the "passive" skills mostly found by guardians. A dwarf who has started his heal ability dont bother with cc because his heal ticks if hes rooted or kicked to the moon. So in order to balance everything, the mechanic of every skill has to be the same.

It's like everyone has to play race x, of same apperence, with the same name above his head, the same soultrees and the same benefits frome race up to the number of fongers and his ability to play well.

WTF???

One more of this posts and i have to do quest to find the last peace of mind ^^.

Come on guys and gals you can't shout for xxx is unbalanced only for the fact that the grass is greener on th other side, as usual.

If you start with the racials and want to balance the game than be a man/woman and go ahead and QQ about char custumization and that it's unbalanced that someone can be smaller like someone else. Oh if you work on balancing than do the people a fevor and tell everyone that classes are to unbalanced, it's okay whenn there is only Paladin, noone should be able to play something else, because it's unbalanced if they....

Allright.. maybe im a little bit harsh but you can't start to cry about unbalance and focus on only one point and ignore everything else.

The bitter part about this is that trion listens to all crybabies . They will mess up the game like wow was messed up because the only skill the most mmo players have in common is to QQ about everything they get a kick in theyre *** from -.- .

[Ambros]

Let's stick with constructive suggestions about racial abilitt changes and no more QQing. Racial changes ARE coming

http://www.riftjunkies.com/2011/01/2...t-vs-guardian/

My apologies if someone else posted this in the thread, found this today and think ya'll might enjoy it.