So what are you doing with your favor points earned while doing PVP?Originally Posted by Nodisplay
There's something called a PvP vendor that also sells gear and they're pretty decent stuff too.
Unless you're trying to say that your main method of getting gear is during Warfront raids and hoping that a gear loot roll window pops up. Huh?
Last edited by JennyMachX; 03-29-2011 at 08:41 AM.
i dont understand you O.oSo what are you doing with your favor points earned while doing PVP?
There's something called a PvP vendor that also sells gear and they're pretty decent stuff too.
Unless you're trying to say that your main method of getting gear is during Warfront raids and hoping that a gear loot roll window pops up. Huh?
im buying things from the PVP vendor and i dont care about pve.
i opened this topic because of this one:
http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...ors-in-Leather
What's stopping someone from looting for the sake of either:
1. Getting it for a friend or guildmate.
2. Getting it for salvaging crafting materials.
3. Getting it to vendor sell if they're low on cash.
Anything wrong with any of these reasons? I don't see think so. What's more you're given a fair chance to roll for the item. You lost the roll. Bad luck. Stop blaming others for it. It might suck that you didn't get it, but you had a fair chance to roll for it. It's not like the old days of free looting where the fastest player with the mouse gets the loot.
Last edited by JennyMachX; 03-29-2011 at 08:45 AM.
If they roll need for any of those reasons, they would immediately be banned from my guild and most guilds. Those are fine to roll greed for, but if you roll need for any of those 3 reasons you are a ninja looter, and hopefully it gets known on your server so you can't find groups and/or guilds.
I don't know your guild and its reputation so that point is moot to me, and excuse me if I find it amusing that you put yourself on a pedestal speaking for "most guilds".
I don't think you really know what ninja-looting means and where it derived from. Think back to Diablo 2 where everyone in the party is free to loot any drop and where ninja-looting means rapidly clicking on drops with no thought spared for rarity or type.
Once again, in Rift, everyone is given a fair chance to roll for the drop. And once again if you think you deserve it more than the next person then please check your self-entitlement out of the door.
Oh and trying to single someone out for breaking no rules, trying to impose your own perceived ones on him/her and using that as a reason to blacklist someone pretty much qualifies as player harassment in my view, in mob mode.
Last edited by JennyMachX; 03-29-2011 at 09:05 AM.
So, what IS the problem here?
There is more qq in this game than any I've ever seen
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Is this your first MMO? In every MMO I've played (EQ, EQ 2, WoW, GW, LOTRO) all 3 of those reasons were considered ninja looting if you rolled need for them. Ninja looting in MMOs (Diablo 2 is NOT an MMO, it is a Multiplayer Action RPG) is where you roll need on something that you do not intend to wear as an upgrade to your current gear that someone else could use as a wearable upgrade.
If you were a rogue in my group and rolled need on plate so you could sell it, or salvage it, I would kick you from the group immediately. I know a lot of players who would do the same. It's common courtesy in an MMO not to need on things you don't plan on using directly (selling and salvaging are not using).
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Diablo 2 might not be a MMORPG, but the looting mechanic for it is relevant. I don't see how it's "ninja" anyway for those games since being a ninja is all about being stealthy and not being caught and...
Yeah it looks like an argument on semantics. Not getting there.
Actually it's not my first MMO. I've played LOTRO, and GW as well and nice try pulling the "veteran" card on me. Hm let's see, I've come across no instance where someone made a vocal fuss about someone rolling for something they couldn't use or didn't need. This is no exaggeration. There isn't some unwritten rule I've come across in the community where I played (Both Brandywine and Landroval for LOTRO) where rolling for something you can't use or don't need is a no-no. The same is said for GW. In fact if it did happen, the person interested in the item asks the one who looted it whether they could have it. It's up to the looter whether or not to give it up, not put up a hissy fit and kick someone just because they didn't have their new shiny toy.
Wait, who do you think you are to dictate whether or not someone needs it? Who are you to dictate if someone's reason for looting it being to vendor it or to give it to a friend makes it invalid? Who are you to dictate if someone who's given a fair chance to roll for it (and won the roll) is subject to some unwritten rule that what they're doing is wrong?
Looks to me like another case of self-entitlement to me.
Ah well, your group. A 100 or 1000 to 1 chance of me actually joining it. You know alot of players bla bla bla, I know alot of players who don't give a crap about it and instead of trying to push their self-entitlement faces into other players, they actually carry on playing the game and know that it isn't an issue.
Last edited by JennyMachX; 03-29-2011 at 09:47 AM.
You are overlooking the fact that wearing high end leather is actually optimal for warrior dps. Why should they not be able to roll for gear that they need? If you have a problem with that, take it up with Trion and ask them why DEX provides a bigger benefit than STR to warrior dps.
By the way, who makes the sad effort to continuously track who gets what and whether or not the person who wins the item can use it, every single time there's a roll for loot? Honestly?
Hello, I'm the loot police! I get to decide if you deserve the loot or not! Hey you Hands Off! That isn't for you!
Last edited by JennyMachX; 03-29-2011 at 09:56 AM.
I see this as an issue only in PUGs. When I run dungeons with my guild, and I admit that we are a smaller guild, every drop is looked at and discussed.
Folks usually say, "Hey, that is an upgrade for me because of "x" reason, does anyone mind if I roll need for that?"
I cannot tell you how many times someone has wanted an item, but then passed because someone else had a greater need for the upgrade.
Problems like this can be solved by finding, or making, a guild of people that have a vested interest in the well being of their guildmates.
When a purple world drop falls, it isnt automatically placed onto the AH for personal profit; it gets linked into guild chat to see if someone can use it. We care about making sure all of our rogues, tanks, healers, and mages get the best possible gear; because we depend on each other to run dungeons together.
Find yourself a good group of people, and avoid PUGs where the individuals have no interest in the well-being of you or your character.
The problem with "asking the guy who got it to give it to you" is that most boss loot is BoP. So you CAN'T trade it. And yes, rolling NEED on something you do not intend to use is generally not accepted behaviour and would see you kicked from any group/guild I've ever been part of.
-Heresy- Icewatch Defiant
Vayra - Mage
Forkrul - Cleric
Kalyth - FOTM warrior in training, 5k pvp kills at lvl 28
Generally not accepted behaviour by whose standards?
As far as I can see, everyone in the party who's involved in a quest, boss fight, whatever, pulls their own weight and contributes adequately to seeing the quest completed. So what makes one person more worthy than another that they're entitled to the loot up for roll? Just because they're conveniently the class that can "use" it?
Once again, the self-entitlement shown never ceases to amaze.
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