Kain makes it to the future!?

[Terram]

I got the impression that the ritual in the Eye of Regulos in Stillmoor during the quests there are an attempt by Alsbeth to bring Andrexis back. Infact the load screen for the defiants at that point in the quests says that it is the moment in time the Defiants were sent back to prevent.

If that ritual succeeded then Andrexis would be reborn and Regulos would have his avatar.

Its worth noting about Regulos, though he does seem to have a physical presence in Telara, his body appears to be in peices. His heart is sealed in Lord's Hall, One of his claws features as the focus of the Black Garden Warfront and I could easily see other bits of him sealed away around telara (though who took him apart is something we dont know yet. ALL his siblings did jump him.)

Regulos seems to have more freedom than his siblings. Either this is because he is more powerful or he isnt sealed away in the same way.

It will be down to Crucia vs Regulos soon... Ill be curious exactly what Crucia is planning since she seems to be the most subtle of the Dragons.

Regulos was banished beyond the Ward. He's the only one that is truly free. Even Crucia, who has turned her prison into more of a defensive fortress, is still bound in some way (though I suspect not for long). He has the vastness of his entire Plane at his command and has it poised to absolutely ANNIHILATE Telara should the Ward ever fail.

[Mythue]

is the Fang of Regulos considered a remnant?

[Turrant]

Sorta, when people talk aou the rementants they usualy refer to the remenants of Adrexis after he shattered the ward and became bloated with the power of Regulos and the plane of Death.

The Fang of Regulos is indeed one of Regulos's fangs and is why both the defiants and gaurdians fight over it. Source

So it seems like his body was truly shattered and is still inTelara. Most likely the reason why the shade and other undead are able to still manifest on Telara because his destroyed body is still radiating corruption. His spirit may very wel be (or was) outside the ward because of it. This still begs the question of how Kain fits in it all.

What I know, he has been colecting the remenants or Regulos's power, the remenants of Adrexis, he has definatly turned away from the Vigil. They alowed this to happen because they believe in free will. He plotted a little with Alsbeth on the return of Regulos, the Rising Kain event is a good example for showing this. He was killed in the Sanctum Chronicle but he promptly rises again with evil purple mist swirling about him and he shouts something along thelines of 'Fools! By killing me you have only brought me closer to my master! I summon (creatures name here, I think it was along the lines of Shadovax) to destroy thee!' That is the last I have seen of him after killing the creature.

What I know think? Kain is slowly becomeing a vessel for Regulos' spirit, maybe he still is not yet but each part along the story it becomes more likely. The Shade mentions that the Vigil's miracle of Ascencion will lead the way to the return of Regulos so no matter what happens Kain will certainly play a significant role in his return. Kain also does not die from the corruption, where as the rest of the ascended still dies but comes back. This may mean that he is the only one capable of possesing his power unlike the many failed experiments and the like that the Endless Court has done to create an Avatar capable of doing so. By killing Kain he gains more control over the plane of Death, this could mean a variety of things including becomeing more apt to becoming the future avatar. Should this occur then it would fulfil the "prophecy" that the Shade gave in saying that Ascencion will be thier undoing.

Going back to the death of Kain and how he rises forth again. It may be possible that part if not all of Regulos' spirit infested in Kain before his return and may be dormant. This may be how he intended to get past the Ward and into Telara making Kain the vessel for his spirit. A variety of things may happen, it is a little premature to say it will happen one way versus the other I will admit.

[Lutinz]

I think your on the right track there Turrant. The prophecy of the Warrior of Scarwood did say that Kain would rise to be the Vigil's greatest general or Regulo's greatest Agent. I suspect that in many ways Kain's ascended body is an even better vessel for Regulo's avatar than Andrexis was.

Part of me wonders if the Vigil planned for this. I find Martyn's ascension at the end of Kian's quest chain interesting cause Martyn doesnt strike me as the usually ascendent material (as far as pure might goes). He is however probably the only person who could step into Kain's shoes in is role as leader of the 12th. Man, I would love to see more of those guys.

I remember catching the tail end of the Shade summoning event in the Sanctum and never new exactly what the shade said. Its nice to finally find out and very curious.

On a side note, its interesting to see how the Endless Court doesnt seem that interested on the body parts of Regulos. They stopped just short of getting the Heart when Lord's Hall fell (though admittedly they may not have known it was there) but also they show no apparent interest in the Claw.

I keep thinking back to Regulos's speal at the end of RoS and wonder what he actually is planning and why he seems to think we are doing exactly what he wants us to do. The fact that he only saw Alsbeth as a tool to occupy our attention and never expected her to get as far as she did is even more ominous.

[Mythue]

From this section,

http://www.riftgame.com/en/world/not...gures/kain.php

"The older man nodded nervously and opened the chest that stood on the table between them. Something awful screeched from the darkness of the box. Kain pulled back from the noise, his face a mask of utter despair that slowly hardened to determination. He reached in and seized whatever was in the box, crushing it in his fist until the shrieking died.

“Please, Commander,” said the merchant. “Why did you want it? Such an evil thing, whatever it was. By the Vigil, you appear paler than you did a moment ago.”

“This is my burden alone,” said Kain, iron in his voice and spine. “If I will not bear it, someone weaker will.”"

do you know what was in the chest that Kain crushed in his fist?

[Turrant]

I am almost 100% certain it was one of those remnants of Adraxis that he is obsessed about collecting during the gaurdian questlines.

[YobiRaion]

Regulos is the Void, before creation there was emptiness, so that explains why Regulos is the Prime of all Dragons. Also, the max experience someone can gain in life is defined upon his death and Regulos must have seen many of them.

I think Regulos is by far the wiser being in RIFT lore and it's really hard to figure out his true plans.
I believe that when his siblings turned against him he has intentionally spread his remnants all over Telara for one reason: them to be collected.

With such powerful artifacts unclaimed in the world the most ambiguous, strong and power-hungry figures of Telara would do anything to acquire them and indirectly prove their true potential to Regulos.
In fact, Regulos never had to chose who his Avatar would be.. the most powerful candidates have fallen in his hands all by themselves.

First of them was Aedraxis Mathos.
If you read the lore, his initial plan was not to become Regulos' avatar but to become the king of the world instead of just the king of Mathosia.
Therefore, I assume that he didn't call upon Regulos and his powers right away as he grew up in a noble family, received the best education for his time and so he has probably learned a lot about the Bloodstorm ..but also the artifacts (remnants) of Regulos.
It was his hunger for power that might have led him to acquire one of them convinced that it would give him enough power to rule the world. As he became shadetouched he has gradually fallen into corruption and finally saw Regulos as the only source of true power that he was always after.
By betraying his own people, killing his own brother and breaking the ward he has done enough to be the most suitable Avatar for Regulos at that time.

On the other hand, Kain has started as Aedraxis enemy and you can find him near Cyril as they are doing the last preparations to march against Aedraxis armies.
Through the entire quest line (guardian side) Kain always appears to be a very powerful and decisive figure who thinks himself superior to everyone else including us. As it was said by the prophecy he had the potential to be Vigil's greatest general or Regulo's greatest Agent.
If you follow guardian lore it's actually true that Kain never planned to become the new Avatar of Regulos, in fact, he wanted to make sure that the remnants of Aedraxis would never be claimed by someone weak or wicked minded which would result in the Avatar of Regulos to be resurrected.
However, his greatest downfall was the fact that he thought of himself as the only strong enough to endure and contain the remnants without being consumed by their evil powers.

It's easy to judge Kain for what he has become and I agree that it was his mistake to take such a big risk on his own, however, his intentions were good and he might have realized that if not him then someone else with impure intentions would come to claim the remnants sooner or later bringing chaos to Telara.
Tbh, I think even if Kain has given one remnant to each of the orders something else would have happened anyway, probably a new civil war against those who were supposed to keep remnants safe (with each one of them considering it safer to keep all remnants on their side), and that's exactly what makes me think that Regulos is the wisest being to exist.
Telara is already "corrupted" in a way and his return is inevitable. It's just a matter of time.



I think Kain will eventually become the new Avatar of Regulos in our timeline as he is by far the best suitable choice Regulos could even have. Kain is an ascended therefore he can always return to resume the plans of completely destroying the Ward and unleashing Regulos upon Telara.
(If RIFT ever had a "grand finale" raid released i would expect it to include Kain on his full strength, then Regulos himself and eventually Vigil intervene to undo the miracle of Ascension & let Telarans rule their finally safe world) :P

[Turrant]

I ran into the shade thing again today as I was turning in my GSB chronicle daily!

http://i.imgur.com/ZMv7W.jpg?1

If you don't want to click it then I will quote it here. I screenshotted it for proof.



Abbess Katia: I speak the name Aircosti and command him to appear. Master of decay, scion of rot, hand of the Destroyer.

Aircosti: I hear the screech of your mortal blood howling from my prison! Let me bring you the peace only found in the bliss of death.

Abbess Katia: Foul abomination! The power of the Vigil compels you to answer me!

Aircosti: All things are fleeting and ephemeral except the eternal blessing of death. The Destroyer will bring an end to all.

Abbess Katia: The prophet of the Vigil shattered Regulos. He is without form and gone from Telara. How is it you persist?

Aircosti: The Destroyer is dispersed, not destroyed. The mortal shell that contained the might of Regulos is scattered about Telara, waiting for a faithful servant of the Endless to find it.

Aircosti: The concern your gods showed in sparing their prophet from the destructive touch of the Destroyer by taking the Ascended up to their celestial realm was their undoing.

Aircosti: All it will take is one mote of his power, and he will be reborn to devour this world and bring an end to all things.

Abbess Katia: Enough of your lies!

Abbess Katia: Back into the Vault of Heresy until we have use of you.



So...what do you all think? Or do you want me to go first even though I kind of already explained my thoughts in my previous posts in this thread.

[Turrant]

I feel silly now, all that theory crafting for nothing, I ran the Sanctum chornicle for fun today and found out that it says right there that Kain has become the Avatar of Regulos.

http://i.imgur.com/pioti.jpg?1

Or at least he thinks he is anyways.

[thoroar]

I feel silly now, all that theory crafting for nothing, I ran the Sanctum chornicle for fun today and found out that it says right there that Kain has become the Avatar of Regulos.

http://i.imgur.com/pioti.jpg?1

Or at least he thinks he is anyways.

Hmm. I don't think he has become the avatar yet I think that is him saying he's been chosen to be the avartar or at least he thinks he has.

[Lighteyes]

is there a corrupted dwarvin character in the Defiant starting? (it's been so long since I've done it)

We have Kain for Mathoisians, Shyla from the high elves... was wondering last night if there was a full set?

[Maeloda]

is there a corrupted dwarvin character in the Defiant starting? (it's been so long since I've done it)

We have Kain for Mathoisians, Shyla from the high elves... was wondering last night if there was a full set?

There is just Brother Jebiah. He's captured from the corrupted Guardians. It seems the Guardians on Terminus DO still, in a way, think they are purging the darkness of the world by using their own light, but clearly the corruption has done its toll on them, and they are verging VERY closely to becoming outright Endless cultists.

"Do what you wish to me! Heretics and maligners will all suffer in the flames of Regulos soon! Do not call on the Vigil, because you abandoned them long ago!"

"Why do I hate you? It's your fault that this happened! Your foul machines destroyed the Ward! It is your fault Regulos is here!"

[Maeloda]

There is also Alaric. He's a former cultist in Sanctum and is part of the Water Saga for Guardians, but in Terminus, he's 'Alaric the Fanatic'.