Wait, as a Guardian, did I die twice in the begining?

[Galibier]

I actually wonder what they mean by this. With cross faction mail, AH and now Mercs in PvP I am wondering if this "wedge" is simply a preamble to something else. I could see them pushing a wedge, making the extremes of both sides even more against each other in preparation for creating a middle ground. With all the cross faction stuff I just can't see a rationalization behind keeping them against each other in total in PvE BUT at the same time they can't just wave a wand and have us holding hands, singing kumbia either.

[Morvick]

Nothing is on the PTS yet except the very beginnings of the actual Carnival (it's a jubilee of all the past year's World Events, mixed together with a bag of Crazy, then served piping hot with new and old Event currency). I hear the Phases go by daily, perhaps that's just on the PTS, but so far no news on this "wedge". My thoughts are that it will have something to do with Ember Isle.

And, thank you, donjn. I try to put the effort into saying everything kindly, at least.
Also... just want to clear the air that I don't have an alt account. >_> That'd require another subscription. I'm poor enough as it is, lol.

(( Also on the PTS are Justicar tanking changes, though they're a bit lackluster and don't actually solve the core problems... still, a quantifiable improvement, just not enough. Strength is still the superior stat over Wisdom, but I'll be damned if I put a single Strength essence in my Sigil! lol ))

[Arynite]

I actually wonder what they mean by this. With cross faction mail, AH and now Mercs in PvP I am wondering if this "wedge" is simply a preamble to something else. I could see them pushing a wedge, making the extremes of both sides even more against each other in preparation for creating a middle ground. With all the cross faction stuff I just can't see a rationalization behind keeping them against each other in total in PvE BUT at the same time they can't just wave a wand and have us holding hands, singing kumbia either.

The "wedge" thing was explained by Elrar here.

Ever read a news article that took one tiny bit of information and blew it up out of context for a catchy title? Happens to RIFT too! This statement was made in the context of the World Event being planned for RIFT’s first anniversary – during which a schism develops which results in Guardian and Defiant NPC’s getting into a drunken brawl (too much merrymaking). During this chaos PvP will be an optional method to the madness, but those who wish to stay strictly PvE are more than able to.

Of course, what would a world event be without a culminating massive planar invasion that challenges the two sides to come together for the greater good? Until then - check out the article for more general info about what we've been working on!

So hopefully we'll get to have a drunken brawl on the PTS very soon. (keyword: Mead?)

The important question is... who are you rooting for?

[Galibier]

The "wedge" thing was explained by Elrar here.



So hopefully we'll get to have a drunken brawl on the PTS very soon. (keyword: Mead?)

The important question is... who are you rooting for?

Well I was meaning more long term, I remember that post. "Driving a wedge" and the mail, AH and merc changes seem to be contradictory to "driving a wedge."

[Anasasiel]

What I want to know is, (1) where does this fabled brawl take place and (2) the factions working together is something I've always thought would spell the doom of the dragons and their cults. The key to victory, as it were. Nice to see them translating my thoughts into a development cycle!!!

Sigh. I know, I know. Go play on PTS and find out there. Alas, full time jobs and young children do NOT mix well with playing on PTS. It's like...crossing the streams in Ghostbusters. It may look pretty from a distance, but the final results are not good...

[Mythue]

I have just begun as a Guardian, to see the lore on this end My impressions so far is that the Messengers of the Vigil returned those that battled at Thedeor Fields quite shortly after their death and returned them to the battle as ascended, as avatars of the Gods? to slay and shatter the body of King Aaedraxis an avatar of Regulos, to finally end this battle. I got the impression that this was the God's main focus in bringing back those that died. To change the outcome of this battle.

We shatter the body of King Aedraxis after receiving a new soul given from the God's messenger on Ascendants Hill, the Nexus where the power of the five gods meet. So in this second 'death' do we re-ascend with this new soul, to begin anew? the giving up of the old life? So the outcome has changed, can change, on the Guardian side, just as the outcome can on the Defiant side?

[Mythue]

I have played a little more into this, is the reason the Guardian ascended were not seen for 20 years, was because these 20 years were a time of peace? And when did Tarvil join with the Vigil, was it after the Shade War?

[Terram]

I have played a little more into this, is the reason the Guardian ascended were not seen for 20 years, was because these 20 years were a time of peace? And when did Tarvil join with the Vigil, was it after the Shade War?

1. The Vigil works in mysterious ways. Also, I think it's more likely that you were so badly messed up by the Greatest Among Equals, the Dragon of Extinction, Regulos the Destroyer EXPLODING right next to you than it is "time of peace". Because there were rifts during those 20 years, and no Ascended to fight them.

2. I think it was during the Blood Storm Wars. Roughly that part of ancient history.

[Morvick]

It probably didn't take a full 20 years to heal you up -- after all, the Messenger of the Vigil herself can transcend time and space, appearing at any point in existence that she pleases.

They brought you back to the point in time that they did, I think, because the Defiants were returning at that exact moment. They had to meet force with equal force.

[Lutinz]

Well only the player character is missing for the 20 years. Most if not all the other Ascended are hard at work during that time. Curiously anyone who has leveled an Guardian might remember that their return at that site was prophecised.

Its highly possible though that theres more to it than that. Note they still havent brought back Calwin in any perminant form and he is one of the Guardians most revered Ascended. Of course if it was a matter of healing the soul the fact that Calwin took a direct blast from the Avatar of Regulos could explain it.

[Sinfullysweet]

It probably didn't take a full 20 years to heal you up -- after all, the Messenger of the Vigil herself can transcend time and space, appearing at any point in existence that she pleases.

They brought you back to the point in time that they did, I think, because the Defiants were returning at that exact moment. They had to meet force with equal force.

That is where I get confused. So does the Vigil know beforehand that they would fail, if they are holding Guardian bodies for 20 years?

[Terram]

That is where I get confused. So does the Vigil know beforehand that they would fail, if they are holding Guardian bodies for 20 years?

It really, really depends on how potent the Vigil actually is. I'm willing to bet they CAN'T see alternate realities (since there ARE alternate versions of the Vigil), so the Defiant Ascended skiing into Freemarch from Terminus (which is basically the sliver that let us know slivers existed) probably surprised the hell out of them.

[Lutinz]

It really, really depends on how potent the Vigil actually is. I'm willing to bet they CAN'T see alternate realities (since there ARE alternate versions of the Vigil), so the Defiant Ascended skiing into Freemarch from Terminus (which is basically the sliver that let us know slivers existed) probably surprised the hell out of them.

Actually the vision of Orpheal in the Sanctum that you see with Omen Sight suggests that the Vigil are infact the only thing that is the same across all alternate realities. What this means is hard to say. We cant even be one hundred percent sure what the other slivers are and if they are as 'real' as our reality.

As for the Vigil knowing they are going to fail its hard to say. Part of it probably depends on what the Vigil can influence. We cant be sure our enemies dont have similar insight to the Vigil. Also we know from above mentioned Orpheal vision that at least on version of Orpheal has been screwing with the timelines. This also would explain alot of Poor Toms ramblings.

Also remember that the Defiant starting area is basicly a Sliver. Its a different reality to the current one we are in. In other realities we know both sides have failed. This comes back to the question of weither our reality holds any particular significance.

Its interesting to consider the first successful sliver invasion Telara has had was actually from Defiant Ascended. That really throws the whole alternate reality thing out of wack since our reality is basicly a paradox.

[Mythue]

[I"]Well only the player character is missing for the 20 years. Most if not all the other Ascended are hard at work during that time."[/I]

What other ascended though are hard at work during these 20 years? when all 'player character' ascended of the Guardians could not leave Valor Hold unless they shattered the body of the King Aedraxis, entering wherever they entered until 20 years later. Were there others that did not need to die twice? others that did not shatter the body of King Aedraxis? This seems as if there are two different 'kinds' of Guardian Ascended then. Ones who died twice and ones who did not.

Of the ones who returned 20 years later, on return they are told that Alsbeth stole the heart of Regulos and unleashed a Death Rift and King Zareph, who tried for so long to keep the peace give his life to shut off the city and keep the evil inside, and that Cyril, Shyla and Borrin still live. So Cyril, Shyla and Borrin did not disappear for 20 years?

Could the coincidence of Alsbeth stealing the heart of Regulos and unleashing a death rift and the death of King Zareph be a factor as well in why these other Guardian Ascended, the ones who died twice, have been brought back.

[Terram]

Actually the vision of Orpheal in the Sanctum that you see with Omen Sight suggests that the Vigil are infact the only thing that is the same across all alternate realities. What this means is hard to say. We cant even be one hundred percent sure what the other slivers are and if they are as 'real' as our reality.

As for the Vigil knowing they are going to fail its hard to say. Part of it probably depends on what the Vigil can influence. We cant be sure our enemies dont have similar insight to the Vigil. Also we know from above mentioned Orpheal vision that at least on version of Orpheal has been screwing with the timelines. This also would explain alot of Poor Toms ramblings.

Also remember that the Defiant starting area is basicly a Sliver. Its a different reality to the current one we are in. In other realities we know both sides have failed. This comes back to the question of weither our reality holds any particular significance.

Its interesting to consider the first successful sliver invasion Telara has had was actually from Defiant Ascended. That really throws the whole alternate reality thing out of wack since our reality is basicly a paradox.

Sliver-Orphiel, magnificent bastard he might be, is still but a man. There's no way he's been in all alternate realities - the artifact collections contradict that implied statement that the Vigil is the only constant, and I'm far more willing to believe the artifacts I've picked up with my own hands over the machinations of the technowizard who was kicked off the Sliders team.

Also, there's no such thing as a paradox in Telara. It's like in Chrono Trigger - the grandfather clause doesn't apply (barring that whole first dungeon that I'm convinced they didn't think about, because the rest of the game doesn't follow that train of logic)